Talk:Super Smash Bros. 4/Archive 4

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"#Characters"

For "veteran characters" Capatain Falcon was confirmed. For new characters, Lucina was also confirmed.

WanderIsAwesome2001 (talk) 22:39, 15 July 2014 (EDT) WanderIsAwesome2001

Those characters are already shown in the table. Miles (talk) 22:43, 15 July 2014 (EDT)

Release Date

Release date in Germany is October 2nd in stores (October 3rd in e-Shop). (Source: [1]) Ar4093 (talk) 11:38, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

Some Surprises

Super Smash Bros' Facebook Page stated this, and I quote, "Super Smash Bros. will be at San Diego Comic-Con in full force! Join us for the first-ever Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS tournament, tips and tricks live-streamed straight from the show floor and even a few special surprises. http://spr.ly/6183lYOc." This is worth noting. 72.105.3.199 20:13, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

This isn't worth noting on this page. If the 3DS tournament is notable enough, we may make a separate page about it, but nothing about this news relates to information about the game itself. LightningBlue 22:59, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

Moving

Should I move this page to Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U? Awesomelink234 (talk) 10:46, 19 July 2014 (EDT)

No. See here as to why. Toomai Glittershine The Free 10:53, 19 July 2014 (EDT)

Ok. Awesomelink234 (talk) 10:55, 19 July 2014 (EDT)

We also already got two separate articles for both game versions: Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U. Dots (talk) The Barrel roll 10:56, 19 July 2014 (EDT)

I knew that already. Awesomelink234 (talk) 11:01, 19 July 2014 (EDT)

Splash Screens?

We decided on a different topic not to use the splash screens/introductions, yet they've somehow made there way to this page. What did I miss, and should they be removed for the reasons debated earlier? ...a new Nuttais approaching... 07:29, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

A gallery can have as many images as it wants; as long as they're relevant to the subject, there's no problem with it. Toomai Glittershine The Emissary 08:58, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

ah, so we just decided against replacing them. Mkay. ...a new Nuttais approaching... 15:47, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

Uncertain veterans.

With Meta-Knight's announcement, there are now 12 characters from Brawl that have not been confirmed to return in SSB4.

Post Meta-Knight Announcement

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—Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.102.158.13 (talk • contribs) 05:53, 15 August 2014 EDT

So? Why are you posting this on the talk page? And why didn't you sign? SeanWheeler (talk) 11:11, 15 August 2014 (EDT)

Uh, I don't think he/she would have found that comment very helpful. You could've linked the IP to our talk page policy and told him to sign his comments with ~~~~ after every post. I don't think he broke any rules on the notice itself, but he did violate the talk page policy. Qwerty (talk) 13:34, 15 August 2014 (EDT)

Title

I don't see why it's necessary to keep the unofficial name for this article when there is an official name, which Super Mario Wiki uses for it. I am thinking we should change the name of this article to "Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U" since that is the official name of the game. --NintendoNinjaCarson (talk) 13:53, 22 August 2014 (EDT)

We already have individual pages for the two separate versions and most people call them (when referring to them as a whole) Super Smash Bros. 4 Laikue (talk) 14:51, 22 August 2014 (EDT)

ESRB Leak?

I understand that with video evidence, information can be as claimed as legitimate, but I don't think we should list Shulk, Bowser Jr., Ganondorf and Brawl Yoshi's Island on this page and others unless the info was explicitly confirmed by Sakurai or his team. This page is not meant for speculation, it is meant for official information, and thus Shulk, Ganondorf, Bowser Jr. and Brawl Yoshi's Island should be removed from this and other similar pages. By the way, I am new here, so forgive me if I missed something I should know about as as I simply don't know all the rules here. ZXLucario (talk) 15:28, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

It was to address exactly this kind of situation that SW:NEWGAME was written and agreed upon. Miles (talk) 15:34, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

I kind of get it now, but since NOA just took down the videos, it could mean 1 of 2 things, 1. The info is real and Nintendo is trying to hide it or 2. Since this is the first time Nintendo took down a leak, it could mean that the leaks aggravated Nintendo and they were sending a message telling people to stop. Most likely the 1st option, but now that we no longer have video proof, should Shulk, Ganon, Jr. and YS still be listed? ZXLucario (talk) 15:59, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

I'm sure there are backups out there. It's not like the videos ceased to exist. Miles (talk) 16:02, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

But is it a real video? What if it's some Brawl hack? Nintendo took it down before I could see the video. But maybe they could have made a texture hack to Ganondorf to make him look hd? And added Bowser Jr. and Shulk. I think we need to confirm that this is legit. Bootlegs aren't trustworthy. In fact Sakurai can even drop the characters out of the roster to prove a point. I think videos that should be real proof is authorized demos such as from E3 and Gamescon, and Sakurai's footage. SeanWheeler (talk) 16:24, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Okay, first of all, the 3DS isn't HD. Second, I've seen zero evidence of a Brawl hack to add a character like Shulk with the distinct moves seen in the video plus change the results screen transition and so on. Third, and as I stated above, this is why SW:NEWGAME was written. Video is orders of magnitude harder to fake than images. Fourth, Nintendo wouldn't take down a Brawl hack video. Miles (talk) 16:28, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Quickly take a look at this before it gets taken down as well. Scr7(talk · contribs) 16:31, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Okay, now it's more believable, now that I saw video footage. Oh, and when I said HD, thought it might be Wii U footage. And by the way, since Sakurai decided to drop the story for leaking on YouTube, what if he decides to make last minute changes to the roster? I know he decided on the roster at the beginning of development, but what if he decides to scrap Shulk to make sure no one leaks his stuff again? There are consequences for someone in development spoilering stuff. Tyler Nelson blabbed that he would dance in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Remember that scene in the movie? No? Because George Lucas cut it out as punishment! Knowing how much Sakurai trolls the fanbase, I imagine he must be really mad now, and now some of the illegally leaked characters and stages could be cut and he could even rush in some last minute characters that weren't on the original roster. Good job ESRB, you LITERALLY changed the game for us! SeanWheeler (talk) 16:54, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Considering Sakurai has stressed that every change results in a massive amount of additional required testing and debug, I find it highly improbable that any changes of note are going to be made in the last three weeks before the game comes out (in Japan). Miles (talk) 16:56, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

You ventured from reasonable talk page content to hyper-paranoia and speculation that belongs on a forum. MegaTron1XD 16:57, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Unless we get incontrovertible evidence that supports the leak (assuming it's not just an elaborate hoax), I say we cut it out. This is a wiki for facts, and we can't just throw around a rumor just because it has a video to back it up- they may be harder to fake, but it can be done with enough time and determination. My theory is that the since the ESRB staff never even PLAYS the games and is only given footage video clips, either the source is lying about how he got it or the leak itself is a fake. Neither of those does much to inspire trust in the information gleaned from it. --66.249.83.56 17:02, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

I think it's widely understood the video consists of clips from the ESRB footage, not an actual copy of the game. Miles (talk) 17:15, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

And those clips never leave ESRB since their staffers must sign NDAs or be fined for thousands of dollars. I get the feeling that you're falling for an unusually well-made hoax, but we won't know for sure unless additional evidence from a reliable third party confirms or denies the leaks- preferably Sakurai himself. For now, I suggest erring on the side of caution- they can always be re-added if it turns out they were real, and if they're fake the wiki will lose quite a bit of credibility. --66.249.83.56 17:27, 25 August 2014 (EDT)