Talk:Koopalings

Let me explain

While there isn't any evidence that this is true, there are signs pointing towards it, such as the fact that the Koopalings have more differences than Bowser Jr. than Lucina does to Marth or Dark Pit does to Pit. Sure the Clown Car is the true fighter, but they all have specific sizes and strengths that should make them different from Bowser Jr. For example, Morton is big and strong, and Lemmy is small and weaker, see the differences? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nintenzilla (talk • contribs) 09:51, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

Yes, but those differences were put aside for Smash. Take a look at this. Morton and Iggy share a similar size, despite not doing so in any other Mario game (excluding SMB3). Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 09:53, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

If "there isn't any evidence", that's 100% an automatic no. Toomai Glittershine The Brass 09:55, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

As characters, that's kind of irrational, because they're all different characters as much as Lucina and Dark Pit. As Smash fighters, they're identical to Bowser Jr. 216.130.144.24 14:27, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

Own article?

I think that the Koopalings all deserve their own individual articles or they should be moved into Bowser Jr.'s article! Nintenzilla (talk) 09:39, 5 May 2015 (EDT)

Neutral. The page is a bit long as is, but they're more of a group than seven individual characters. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 13:04, 5 May 2015 (EDT)

Support The more the merrier. SeanWheeler (talk) 12:51, 24 June 2015 (EDT)

Support If we can have pages for every single Phantom Thief because they appear in Joker's FS for a split second, then I think we can have articles for 7 unique characters.MrStrawberries (talk) 14:43, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

Is this still being considered in any form? Wolff (talk) 19:52, February 13, 2021 (EST)

I'm guessing not. This conversation is 6 years old for one, and Strawberries' comment above shouldn't have even been posted because of that. Black Vulpine of the 🦊Furry Nation🐺. Furries make the internets go! :3 20:10, February 13, 2021 (EST)

birth order

Can we noted the birth order of Koopalings cuz only say "evryone think the birth order is used be SMB3 boss order and that not true" can u creat a section for that. 93.23.13.164 02:09, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

It doesn't really have anything to do with their inclusion in Smash. If people care about it, they can go to the Mario Wiki's page about it. --CanvasK (talk) 04:51, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

oh ok but it’s just because the ring of box of smash 4 say Larry is the youngest 93.22.150.123 07:15, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

Koopa kid

(78.225.38.5 10:36, October 28, 2021 (EDT)) If they also named Koopa kid does they are child cuz in old time they really looks like short and childhish but today the only to looks like child are Larry, Wendy, and Lemmy But they are still mature, SO for me they are all teenager today and I not see anywhere texted also named Koopa Kid that seems good for this page.

Larry, the leader

Super smash bros 4 was coming on September 2013 on 3DS in Japan and in the description of his trophy they stated Larry is the leader and not the youngest, the only version who say Larry is the youngest is the north USA version (who is CLEARLY back after) 78.225.38.5 11:53, January 16, 2022 (EST)

That wasn't clear that is what you meant by your summaries. However, that doesn't mean him being the youngest should be removed. I'm re-adding some of what you added. Leaving out Wendy's rivalry because I'm not sure that matters in that section. --CanvasK (talk) 12:10, January 16, 2022 (EST)

Ludwig was never stated like the leader, the north American is not the original version, and the original japanese 3ds version was stated larry is the leader not the yougest 78.225.38.5 12:18, January 16, 2022 (EST)

From the MarioWiki "Bowser's oldest Koopaling and second in command, he's a real monster!" - Nintendo Power Strategy Guide for Super Mario Bros. 3, page 9. This makes him higher rank than the others, and as such he claims the title of "leader". Regarding this revert, I put information in that you originally put, but with proper wiki format and syntax and wording straight from the trophy descriptions. The titles listed are straight from the Boxing Ring screen, it is not "fake information". Additionally, he is called the "youngest" more often than as the "leader", so that is given more priority. Kamek is seen in more situations being high in command than Ludwig, making the point about Ludwig being the leader an invalidated plot point and as such the line should stay. It doesn't matter what "the original" says because, 1) Smash 4 was designed with a more international focus than prior games, making "original" less meaningful; 2) we can still list both. --CanvasK (talk) 12:29, January 16, 2022 (EST)

Ludwig was in second in command in old time, Kamek was back before Ludwig in Marios' story, Larry is the leader and say *Larry is the youngest* it’s specially an idea of Nintendo of north USA, and Ludwig just consider himself like the leader and the other Koopalings was never voted for that 78.225.38.5 12:46, January 16, 2022 (EST)

Ludwig claims to be a leader in Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam, which was released in 2015, a year after Smash 4. Larry is called the youngest in the NTSC Wii U trophy, NTSC Wii U Boxing Ring, NTSC and PAL Ultimate Boxing Ring; he is called the leader in the NTSC 3DS trophy, PAL 3DS and Wii U trophy, and PAL Wii U Boxing Ring. 4 for youngest, 4 for leader; it is even. This still doesn't change that we can list both, just like we list Ludwig being the oldest and being a self-proclaimed leader. --CanvasK (talk) 13:06, January 16, 2022 (EST)

Same vote numbers ? So yes, i'm angree 78.225.38.5 13:25, January 16, 2022 (EST)

Does that mean you agree that both should be listed? Because that is what my edit was. --CanvasK (talk) 13:29, January 16, 2022 (EST)

yes but only whit the information of Ludwig who consider himself like the leader (whit a however) 78.225.38.5 13:38, January 16, 2022 (EST)

Description

It that possible to put Japanese or German version of Koopalings trophy ? Beaucaus that was the 2 first country weres SSB4 for 3DS was releas... 78.225.38.5 13:51, March 20, 2022 (EDT)

This is an English wiki, we only include English descriptions in most cases. --CanvasK (talk) 13:52, March 20, 2022 (EDT)

We can very well translate them, right ? 78.225.38.5 13:56, March 20, 2022 (EDT)

We only do translations for names of characters, stages, attacks, items, etc. because those are important and help with communication between players of different languages. Trophy descriptions are not important and it wouldn't make sense to do it only for Koopalings either. --CanvasK (talk) 13:59, March 20, 2022 (EDT)

i don't mean only for the Koopalings, but it's still pity 78.225.38.5 14:03, March 20, 2022 (EDT)

You only mentioned Koopalings. If we do German and Japanese, then we should also do French, Korean, Chinese, etc. so there is no favorites. There are 290 trophies in Melee, 544 trophies in Brawl, and 743 trophies in Smash 4 (Wii U); that is 1577 trophies and no one is going to put in that effort. --CanvasK (talk) 14:11, March 20, 2022 (EDT)

Origin image

Anyone else in agreement to replace their current origin image with their group artwork from Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit? It's far closer to their depiction in Smash; with them riding small, color-coded Clown Cars...but it also has a hologram effect that might not be desirable. Still, considering we had Bowser Jr. in the Mario & Luigi art style instead of a render for a while, and still have Link's Hero of the Wild outfit illustrated by very rough-looking concept art, it's something to consider. ShootingStar7X (talk) 00:26, May 4, 2022 (EDT)

how would you describe the sense of the placement of the Koopalings in this image? ZekingoX (talk) 02:22, June 17, 2022 (EDT)

What exactly do you mean? Apart from the aforementioned hologram effect, it looks fine to me. None of them are significantly obscuring each other. ShootingStar7X (talk) 17:59, June 17, 2022 (EDT)

Official art of the Koopalings from New Super Mario Bros. 2.'From left to right: Lemmy, Wendy, Larry, Morton, Roy, Iggy, and Ludwig' ZekingoX (talk) 02:01, June 18, 2022 (EDT)

That does not matter in whether the image should be replaced or not. --CanvasK (talk) 06:44, June 18, 2022 (EDT)

well, I suggest that their artwork in NSMB2 is much more descriptive ZekingoX (talk) 15:01, June 18, 2022 (EDT)

I would say my image suggestion goes: Larry, Roy, Ludwig, Iggy, Morton, Lemmy, Wendy. Also, neither coins nor Lemmy's ball are part of Bowser Jr.'s moveset in Smash; a point against the NSMB2 image. ShootingStar7X (talk) 18:47, June 21, 2022 (EDT)

I think, I’m angree… ZekingoX (talk) 03:19, June 22, 2022 (EDT)

I think Shootingstar7x is right, the mario kart live artwork fits better, especially since they're using their personal clown karts instead of the big one. The only issue was figuring out what order to list them since some are in front of each other, but Shootingstar solved that. I'm not sure what Zekingo is angry about. 68.4.176.97 03:56, June 22, 2022 (EDT)

so already I'm not at all angry about it, and besides I've never been disangree whit it ZekingoX (talk) 07:17, June 22, 2022 (EDT)

Oh, you're saying you agree with ShootingStar's suggestion? My bad, you saying "angree" instead of "agree" threw me off. I understand if english isn't your first language and you thought "agree" was spelled with an n. I'm gonna fix your spelling mistakes above if that's alright. 68.4.176.97 17:45, June 22, 2022 (EDT)

Don't edit someone else's posts; SW:TALK#Editing and removing other users' comments. --CanvasK (talk) 18:06, June 22, 2022 (EDT)

I really wish there was a version of this artwork without the "hologram" effect, because that's the one thing holding it back. Since the current NSMB2 artwork is clearer and better quality, I'd prefer to keep that in the infobox for now. However, I wouldn't be opposed to having the MKLHC artwork being an additional image for the article body or gallery, or even on the Koopa Clown Car article, just to demonstrate how the Mario series has been retroactively influenced by the Koopalings' appearance in Smash. --PeabodySam (talk) 19:12, June 22, 2022 (EDT)

I find that the image of MK live is of better quality… in addition to the fact that it is better to see the Koopalings in their own Clown car rather than to see them in a single clown car (which can be better written their appearance in SSB4 and SSBU) ZekingoX (talk) 03:09, June 24, 2022 (EDT)

Images

The work used for Wendy, Lemmy and Roy don't quite match them, cuz… Wendy doesn't fight with her ice skates all the time, Lemmy doesn't always throw bombs to kill Mario, and Roy doesn't always use his Bill Blaster… ZekingoX (talk) 05:51, June 29, 2022 (EDT)

The images do not need to strictly represent how they are in Smash, sometimes how they are in their own games is preferred. --CanvasK (talk) 06:45, June 29, 2022 (EDT)