SmashWiki:Pool Room

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Region Pages

M3D's recent lists of categories/tournaments by region and state give me an idea. We can easily create a page for each major area (maybe six or seven in all) and list on that page notable players, recurring tournaments (only recurring) and crews. Give me the go ahead, and I'll contact M3D and he and I can get started on it. -- Bean 01:06, February 27, 2007 (GMT)

You'll hear no objections from me. Project Smasher is my favourite SmashWiki game of them all! -- Randall00 03:35, February 27, 2007 (GMT)

I'd like to go ahead and start on this. I'll create a category called Category:Smash Communities which will hold a collection of pages of notable smash regions, such as the San Jose Area and the Sacramento Area (just local examples). A player searching for people in his area can look to that page which will contain lists of notable Smashers and crews in that region. I'll start work tonight, or someone else can begin creating pages for their regions. -- Bean 01:46, March 21, 2007 (GMT)

Shh...

Whenever I go to www.smashwiki.com, it just says "Nothing to see here." Why? Shouldn't it just redirctto the main page? Like, what's up with that? Did I miss something? - Brawlmatt202 19:57, March 2, 2007 (GMT)

This is because we haven't officially "launched" yet. When we do (which I know I keep saying will be soon, but trust me, there's a reason) we'll make it a redirect. --Kirby King 20:06, March 2, 2007 (GMT)

Oh, okay. I was just wondering. - Brawlmatt202 06:22, March 3, 2007 (GMT)

Problem with a redirection

A member of my Smash crew goes by the name 'Green', but he can't add a page about himself because Green redirects to Green Shell. What should I do? Trig. 14:20, March 4, 2007 (CST)

The page can be named Green (smasher). You see, searching for shell doesn't work. That's why green and red redirects to the shell articles. When that's fixed, the page can be moved to Green. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 20:31, March 4, 2007 (GMT)

Ok, I think I might have done something wrong because now Green redirects to Green (Smasher) instead of Green Shell.

That's weird here it says it redirects to Green Shell, but clicking a the link or writing 'green' in the search box links to Green (smasher). Maybe that's related to the shell issue ... ? – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 20:42, March 4, 2007 (GMT)

Red Shell

Every time I try to go to the Red Shell page, I ke4ep getting this:

Forbidden You don't have permission to access /wiki/Red_Shell on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

What's up with that? - Brawlmatt202 14:25, March 5, 2007 (GMT)

Any URL with the word "shell" doesn't work. The devious powers-that-be are playing with our souls!! ....err, rather, we haven't found any rhyme or reason to why the shell glitch occurs, but for the meantime we redirect from "red" or "green." – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 16:14, March 5, 2007 (GMT)

~~Well, Green redirects to Green (smasher), even if says it redirects to Green Shell... see #Problem with a redirection.~~ – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 17:55, March 5, 2007 (GMT)

Congratulations

Hey guys, might want to read this: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=98564 ;) --Kirby King 05:02, March 6, 2007 (GMT)

Great! – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 15:45, March 6, 2007 (GMT)

Eep! Smasher Project's not finished! Gah!! *drowns in too much to do* -- Randall00 ^Talk 02:08, March 7, 2007 (GMT)

Sweet! This is even more reason to get to work though. Now that more people are reading these articles, we'd better make them as great as possible. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 04:25, March 7, 2007 (GMT)

w00t you guys are all amazing. Congrats on making this happen KK!! - Gideon 05:12, March 7, 2007 (GMT)

In dire need of uniformity

I notice lots of different uses of tenses and POVs in naming schemes. For example, there are two articles for the Wall Jump, named Wall jump and Wall jumping. Also, we need to use proper title caps for article titles. "Wall jump" is not acceptable. I suggest a non plural(unless several types exist) and neutral tense titles. No "Wave Dashing", "wave Dashing", or "Bunny Hoods". "Beam Swords" might be acceptable if the article covers both Beam Swords in the series. Page URLs and locations are case sensitive. We MUST decide on a uniform naming system now, or we'll have a total mess. It would be best to get everything organized now, while the number of pages are small and link fixing is minimal. xnamkcor 03/08/07 1600(AZ/US)

This belongs in the Pool Room. WaluigiIsAwesome 18:16, March 9, 2007 (GMT)

Moved to the Pool Room. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 19:37, March 9, 2007 (GMT)

Per this topic, here are a few guidelines I follow:

use the singular form of nouns
with verbs, use the gerund form (jump-canceling) unless the original form (wavedash) can also be used as a noun.
do NOT use title caps. This is against the "rules" for titles but more appropriate for an encyclopedia, because we're documenting the proper capitalization of the term (hence, wall jumping is the proper title). Wiki software automatically capitalizes the first letter of the title; not much we can do about that.
full names should be used, not abbreviations. Thus, forward aerial instead of "f-air" or "AFA."

I think these things should be put in a help page or a SmashWiki guideline, so that people know how to name their articles. I'll start on that right now. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 19:45, March 9, 2007 (GMT)

StrategyWiki

Hi, I come from StrategyWiki. A wiki site dedicated to providing video game strategies and guides for all games. For more about what we are standing for, see here.

I come here asking for the community of the Smash Boards, and smashwiki in particular, would be interested in helping us to flesh out our SSB SSBM and SSBB guides. We have several dedicated Smash players there (myself included) and we have been working on the guides of the two released games for a while, but we could definitly use the touch of some of the more veteran smash players of the world, and I figured this would be the best place to find them. We are forming a small group to start up work on the SSBB guide as soon as we can get our hands on it, but nothing would help out more then the members here taking a look at all our smash games and lending their expertise. If this isn't possible, I ask if the content in this wiki could be lent in it's current form (via Special:Export) to expand our guides. According to your copyright status, it doesn't seem possible without relicensing of content, which you stipulate may be done at any point.

If any of the members here more knowledgeable in the game could help out at strategywiki, it would be greatly appreciated. Regardless of the response I get to this topic here I'm going to check out this wiki and the forums myself, can't believe I didn't come here earlier. So hello :) Mason11987 02:11, March 10, 2007 (GMT)

Languages

Currently, the only page in other languages is Global Smasher Compendium (fr, sv, es) which I personally find a shame. Maybe we should have other pages in other languages (like sv:Super Smash Bros. Melee for a Swedish SSBM article). Whaddcha think? – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 18:26, March 12, 2007 (GMT)

Eh? – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 19:13, March 20, 2007 (GMT)

I don't know that we have enough of an international audience for that to make a huge difference. Also I'd be concerned about having to monitor the content of different wikis in different languages on top of this one, and handling policies on each, and the extra administrative work that would probably be involved. I'm really just not convinced that there's a significant need for this. --Kirby King 02:07, March 21, 2007 (GMT)

Smash World is in English, so it makes sense to keep SmashWiki in English too. Besides, I don't feel confident enough in French to write articles in that language, and most other editors are the same way with their languages. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 15:16, March 21, 2007 (GMT)

We don't need thousand page compendiums in other languages, one, two or three or something may be enough. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 15:27, March 21, 2007 (GMT)

It does no harm to do a couple of the big articles...but also no good. The largest articles, such as SSBM, have Wiki pages in other languages. Also, interlinking would be completely useless from these pages -- it would do no good to link to an English page from one in Deutch. The amount of work is not beneficial when compared to the small audience and usefulness. -- Bean 17:56, March 21, 2007 (GMT)

Links

How do I make my words into a link? Normally I just put that [1] thingy, but I'd like to have the words as the link. Also, how do I put that box where I can display information?--Smasherboy13 15:13, March 17, 2007 (GMT)

http://smashwiki.com/ = http://smashwiki.com/
[http://smashwiki.com/] = [1]
[http://smashwiki.com/ a site] = a site

I don't really get what you mean with the box thingy... perhaps templates? – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 11:49, March 18, 2007 (GMT)

Engrish

Is it necessary to have the Japanese pronunciations if it's just Engrish? Is there a point to writing "Kyaputen Farukon" (Captain Falcon) or "Roi" (Roy) or "Rinku" (Link)? Some, such as Pikachu and Mario are written exactly the same way. And this also goes for "Kuppa" (Bowser). Why not just write "Koopa" and leave it at that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenblob (talk • contribs) {{{2}}}

There is a point for that. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 17:18, March 18, 2007 (GMT)

Vacation

I will be absent March 22nd to March 30th, so please update the Article of the Week while I'm gone! Just choose a suitable article, c/p the introduction into SmashWiki:Article of the Week/2007-13, and rock and roll! – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 22:58, March 21, 2007 (GMT)

Professionals

Nothing about the definition (waits for sigh of relief)....just wondering if we still need the Professionals page now that the Category:Character Specific Professionals page is done. I think the former is unnecessary. Btw I need a page deleted which is listed in that category..it's a duplicate where an error occurred when I used & in the title. -- Bean 06:23, March 23, 2007 (GMT)

We need a "featured article" template or something

Right now, the only way to tell if an article is featured is to look in the archive. We need some sort of template or symbol that signifies it. WaluigiIsAwesome 06:03, March 25, 2007 (GMT)

We have an AOTW template. It's at template:aotw or template:AOTW. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 13:55, March 25, 2007 (GMT)

Formatting Proposal: Structure by Characters?

I'm here to propose something that would make a MASSIVE change in the way SmashWiki articles about Nintendo characters and items are laid out. I notice that there are a lot of pages that can't ever become more than 1-paragraph stubs, such as a lot of the pages on the Melee trophies; each of those pages contains a write-up of the in-game trophy description and seemingly nothing else. And in many cases those trophy pages quite literally cannot have anything else added because many trophies are either found in the lottery or randomly appear in the Single Player game modes. There're also a lot of cases where by our current layout standards we have several small, separate articles about what's pretty much the same subject (examples: Meta Knight and Meta Knight (trophy), as well as many Pokemon species having two tiny articles each, one for its appearance from a Poke-Ball item and one for its appearance as a trophy in the same game).

For both this reason and the fact that part of the reason for the Smash Bros. franchise's success worldwide is because it features all sorts of instantly recognizable game characters and properties interacting in one game, I say the site's articles should be structured so that you type the name of a Nintendo character or property into the search box and you get one fully developed, coherent article that a) introduces the subject, b) describes where and how that subject has been in gaming outside of the Smash series, and c) summarizes that subject's each and every appearance throughout each game in the Smash Bros. series, with Main Article links to appropriate Smash-gameplay-specific articles from those sections. Kinda like how all the Universe pages I've been making recently are laid out in content (see Kirby (universe). After all, the general idea behind a wiki is that you get everything relevant about a subject in an article when you type a subject's name in the searchbox; so this proposal would satisfy that ideal better than the way we have pages now. Here are some examples of the new format I'm proposing:

Metal Mario: The page should introduce him, then talk about his appearances in Mario games outside of Smash like in Super Mario 64. Then the page should summarize all of Metal Mario's appearances through the Smash series; in the "In Super Smash Bros." section, it'd talk about him as a sub-boss in SSB with its own Main Article link; then in the "In Super Smash Bros. Melee" section it talks about him as a sub-boss in SSBM with a Main Article link as well, and it should also show and detail the trophy named Metal Mario (because the trophy's name is the same as the article's name, that is where viewers should go to see the in-game text of the Metal Mario trophy). Don't put in an "In Super Smash Bros. Brawl" section for the page until Metal Mario is revealed in Brawl.
Meta Knight: The page should currently introduce him as a Nintendo character, then talk about his appearances in Kirby games and anime outside of Smash games. Then the page should talk about all of Meta Knight's appearances throughout the series; in other words, there's no SSB section for Meta Knight, the SSBM section shows and details his trophy because the trophy's name is Meta Knight, and then the SSBB section summarizes Meta Knight as a playable fighter in SSBB, with a Main Article link to the Meta Knight (SSBB) gameplay article. Both the general Meta Knight page and the Meta Knight Brawl Character gameplay page would be vastly updated once Brawl is released.
Super Scope: The page should introduce the item, talk about its appearances as a real-life gaming peripheral, and then talk about all of its appearances in the Smash Bros. series as of now. Since as of now the Super Scope has appeared in Melee as an item and as a trophy, both should be fully dissected in the Super Scope article's SSBM section. If the Super Scope is to return in Brawl, by then we can add an "In Super Smash Bros. Brawl" section to the page.
DK Island: First introduce the subject and detail its appearances in the Donkey Kong video games, and then talk about all of its appearances in the Smash Bros. series as of now. Since DK Island locations have been used as a stage in SSB and as three stages in SSBM, provide one summary in the SSB section with its own Main Article link to the Congo Jungle stage article and provide three summaries in the SSBM section with their own Main Article links to stage articles.
Ryota Hayami: This is an example I've already implemented in the past. Notice how I've started the article with an introduction of Ryota, then somewhat detailed what he is like in the Wave Race games, then proceeded to summarize Ryota's each and every appearance thus far in the Smash Bros. series. In Ryota's case his only appearance was in a Melee trophy, but since the trophy is named Ryota Hayami, it should be and is fully detailed in the article. If Ryota is to make any Smash appearances in the future, the way this page is laid out will allow for additional content about that.

An advantage to doing everything in this format is that all these pages can be easily extended to accomodate new content from Brawl when it is released. Another advantage is that now you won't have to be a Smasher in order to understand how the site's content is arranged and titled; whereas before you'd have to knowingly search for Chansey (trophy) to get to a tiny page about a character who probably has other equally undeveloped articles about it, now you can just type in the name of a Nintendo subject like Marth and get an informative and developed page about him as a Nintendo character that summarizes all his appearance in the Smash Bros. series thus far (including full details on the three Melee trophies named Marth), and people interested in how Marth plays can follow a link from the Marth page to Marth (SSBM) (and another link to Marth (SSBB) in the future, if he is to return in Brawl). If SmashWiki's aim is to be accessible to both casual gamers and hardcore Smashers, then I think doing things this way would work out great for everyone. Erik the Appreciator 16:41, March 27, 2007 (GMT)

Man, that's loads of text. I only red the last part, and I agree. Talking about formatting, I don't think we should capitalize words. ("Aerial Forward A" should be "aerial forward A".) – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 17:56, March 27, 2007 (GMT)

Take your time, take your time. :) I feel loads of text is reasonable when the concept of the proposal features loads of implications, however. Erik the Appreciator 21:25, March 27, 2007 (GMT)

Can I ask why in particular there is a demand for Aerial Forward Air, when F-air or D-air will do it? I believe there is a page already dedicated to the "fair" or "dair", and if newer users come, and don't know what it is, they will.. HOPEFULLY... click and find out. Ta-da, we've converted another one.

It's just that the SWF generally knows what a Fair is, and most of the pageviews are directed from smashboards, are they not? If I'm reading an intense article on smash, and I see the word Aerial Forward A, it really quite distracts me, and makes me question the worth of the document. Why? Quite simply, almost all 'advanced technique' players will use the term that comes more naturally for them. If I'm watching rugby, and someone gets the crap tackled out of them, I say "zomg he got FAIRed", not "zomg he got AERIAL FORWARD A!"

I'm just saying that maybe it's a good idea to use terminology that caters to those who use the site most often.

Dawgs, we need to customize this page so that not only smashers understand the pages. And using "zomg" in a page isn't really that good. How do you pronunce that? – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 07:33, April 3, 2007 (GMT)

And I didn't say anything of using full names instead of abbrevs,

I just said that you should use "aerial forward A" instead of "Aerial Forward A". It's not a name, y'know. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 07:34, April 3, 2007 (GMT)

Headline text

WTF – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 09:00, April 7, 2007 (GMT)

This time I know what that piece of Internet terminology stands for. Work Time Fun! :D

Heh, that site is saddeningly worthless. To bad it can't be deleted, because we already have a wiki here. By the way, didn't you try a wiki-site of your own before coming here? Erik the Appreciator 17:55, April 7, 2007 (GMT)

Yes, it can be found here. Has some interesting design elements / articles we could work with. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 19:35, April 7, 2007 (GMT)

The sites were developed differently. The editors here were all smashers (well most of them), and my ol' wiki was edited me, whose friends suck, and some other guy. Don't know about him, though. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 20:29, April 7, 2007 (GMT)

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