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==Hitbox visualizations== | |||
==Hitbox | |||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
! !! | !Type!!First!!Second!!Third!!Fourth | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Up | !Up | ||
| || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit2UpSSBU.gif|180px]] || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit3UpSSBU.gif|180px]] || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit4UpSSBU.gif|180px]] | | || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit2UpSSBU.gif|180px]] || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit3UpSSBU.gif|180px]] || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit4UpSSBU.gif|180px]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | !Forward | ||
| [[File:MarthSSpecialHit1SSBU.gif|180px]] || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit2SSBU.gif|180px]] || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit3SSBU.gif|180px]] || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit4SSBU.gif|180px]] | | [[File:MarthSSpecialHit1SSBU.gif|180px]] || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit2SSBU.gif|180px]] || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit3SSBU.gif|180px]] || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit4SSBU.gif|180px]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| Line 16: | Line 14: | ||
| || || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit3DownSSBU.gif|180px]] || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit4DownSSBU.gif|180px]] | | || || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit3DownSSBU.gif|180px]] || [[File:MarthSSpecialHit4DownSSBU.gif|180px]] | ||
|} | |} | ||
==Overview== | ==Overview== | ||
Dancing Blade can be used as a standard combo ender. It should be avoided in neutral as it is very unsafe on shield, with most opponents having enough time to dash forward and grab before Marth can jump. His safest option if a non-ending hit does hit a shield is to continue using Dancing Blade, delaying hits in hope that the opponent drops their shield. It is Marth's third fastest out-of-shield option, tied with [[../Neutral aerial|neutral aerial]]. It is slightly easier to perform than [[../Up aerial|up aerial]] (second fastest by 1 frame) and doesn't leave him as vulnerable as whiffing his fastest out-of-shield, [[../Up special|up special]]. | |||
The down-angle ender provides the most damage. The side-angle ender sweetspot can KO very early on, being able to KO several characters below 70% at ledge (30-50% earlier than the non-sweetspot hits). The side-angle ender's sweetspot can be hard to hit as it has lower priority than the weaker hits, requiring the attack to be delayed for the highest chance of hitting the sweetspot. Because of various other factors such as [[rage]] and [[directional influence]], hitting the sweetspot is inconsistent and it is best to plan around a non-sweetspot hitting instead. [[../Forward tilt|Forward tilt]] is a good, grounded alternative if the side-angle ender's sweetspot is too difficult to land. | |||
The first hit can be used to attack an opponent recovering along the stage, making it a safer alternative to up special (which has the potential to face the wrong way and likely lead to an SD). It also serves as a mixup option, as the tech timing is different than that of an up special along with requiring different reaction timing, potentially resulting in the opponent [[buffer]]ing an air dodge if they've been conditioned to expect up specials. The first hit can also be used to reorient Marth to properly use an aerial or correct his direction to more safely perform an up special. | |||
While recovering, the first hit can be used to slightly halt his downward movement. This can make his recovery slightly less predictable, along with being much safer against opponents that have high-commitment edgeguards or to intercept opponents who go for an offstage KO. | |||
==Hitboxes== | ==Hitboxes== | ||
===First | ===First hit=== | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | {{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=0 | |id=0 | ||
|damage=2.5% | |damage=2.5% | ||
|angle=361 | |angle=361 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=25 | |bk=25 | ||
|ks=30 | |ks=30 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|r=6.5 | |r=6.5 | ||
|bn=top | |bn=top | ||
| Line 39: | Line 46: | ||
|effect=Slash | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Slash | |sfx=Slash | ||
|slvl= | |slvl=S | ||
|clang=f | |clang=f | ||
|rebound=f | |rebound=f | ||
| Line 47: | Line 54: | ||
|damage=3.0% | |damage=3.0% | ||
|angle=90 | |angle=90 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=25 | |bk=25 | ||
|ks=30 | |ks=30 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|r=5.5 | |r=5.5 | ||
|bn=top | |bn=top | ||
| Line 59: | Line 68: | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect=Slash | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx= | |sfx=Marth Sword | ||
|slvl=M | |slvl=M | ||
|clang=f | |clang=f | ||
| Line 68: | Line 77: | ||
|damage=2.5% | |damage=2.5% | ||
|angle=361 | |angle=361 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=25 | |bk=25 | ||
|ks=30 | |ks=30 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|r= | |setweight=t | ||
|r=5.5 | |||
|bn=top | |bn=top | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
| Line 81: | Line 92: | ||
|effect=Slash | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Slash | |sfx=Slash | ||
|slvl= | |slvl=S | ||
|clang=f | |clang=f | ||
|rebound=f | |rebound=f | ||
}} | }} | ||
|} | |} | ||
===Second | ===Second hits=== | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | {{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle| | {{HitboxTableTitle|Up|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=0 | |id=0 | ||
|damage=2.5% | |damage=2.5% | ||
|angle=90 | |angle=90 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=30 | |bk=30 | ||
|ks=30 | |ks=30 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|r=4.5 | |r=4.5 | ||
|bn=top | |bn=top | ||
| Line 116: | Line 128: | ||
|damage=3.0% | |damage=3.0% | ||
|angle=110 | |angle=110 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=30 | |bk=30 | ||
|ks=30 | |ks=30 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|r=3.0 | |r=3.0 | ||
|bn=top | |bn=top | ||
| Line 128: | Line 142: | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect=Slash | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx= | |sfx=Marth Sword | ||
|slvl=M | |slvl=M | ||
|clang=f | |clang=f | ||
| Line 136: | Line 150: | ||
|id=2 | |id=2 | ||
|damage=2.5% | |damage=2.5% | ||
|angle= | |angle=60 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=30 | |bk=30 | ||
|ks=30 | |ks=30 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|r=4.5 | |r=4.5 | ||
|bn=top | |bn=top | ||
| Line 154: | Line 170: | ||
|rebound=f | |rebound=f | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle| | {{HitboxTableTitle|Forward|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=0 | |id=0 | ||
|damage=2.5% | |damage=2.5% | ||
|angle=361 | |angle=361 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=30 | |bk=30 | ||
|ks=25 | |ks=25 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|r=6.5 | |r=6.5 | ||
|bn=top | |bn=top | ||
| Line 181: | Line 199: | ||
|damage=3.0% | |damage=3.0% | ||
|angle=361 | |angle=361 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=30 | |bk=30 | ||
|ks=25 | |ks=25 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|sd=1.0 | |sd=1.0 | ||
|r=5.5 | |r=5.5 | ||
| Line 194: | Line 214: | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect=Slash | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Marth | |sfx=Marth Sword | ||
|slvl=M | |slvl=M | ||
|clang=f | |clang=f | ||
| Line 203: | Line 223: | ||
|damage=2.5% | |damage=2.5% | ||
|angle=361 | |angle=361 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=30 | |bk=30 | ||
|ks=25 | |ks=25 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|sd=1.0 | |sd=1.0 | ||
|r=4.5 | |r=4.5 | ||
| Line 221: | Line 243: | ||
|rebound=f | |rebound=f | ||
}} | }} | ||
|} | |} | ||
===Third | ===Third hits=== | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | {{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle| | {{HitboxTableTitle|Up|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=0 | |id=0 | ||
|damage=3.0% | |damage=3.0% | ||
|angle=65 | |angle=65 | ||
|bk= | |af=3 | ||
|ks= | |bk=55 | ||
|ks=30 | |||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|r=4.5 | |r=4.5 | ||
|bn=top | |bn=top | ||
| Line 253: | Line 276: | ||
|damage=4.0% | |damage=4.0% | ||
|angle=85 | |angle=85 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=55 | |bk=55 | ||
|ks=30 | |ks=30 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|sd=1.0 | |sd=1.0 | ||
|r=3.0 | |r=3.0 | ||
| Line 266: | Line 291: | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect=Slash | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Marth | |sfx=Marth Sword | ||
|slvl=L | |slvl=L | ||
|clang=f | |clang=f | ||
| Line 275: | Line 300: | ||
|damage=3.0% | |damage=3.0% | ||
|angle=35 | |angle=35 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=55 | |bk=55 | ||
|ks=50 | |ks=50 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|sd=1.0 | |sd=1.0 | ||
|r=4.5 | |r=4.5 | ||
| Line 293: | Line 320: | ||
|rebound=f | |rebound=f | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle| | {{HitboxTableTitle|Forward|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=0 | |id=0 | ||
|damage=3.0% | |damage=3.0% | ||
|angle=50 | |angle=50 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=55 | |bk=55 | ||
|ks=30 | |ks=30 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|r=6.5 | |r=6.5 | ||
|bn=top | |bn=top | ||
| Line 320: | Line 349: | ||
|damage=4.0% | |damage=4.0% | ||
|angle=55 | |angle=55 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=55 | |bk=55 | ||
|ks=30 | |ks=30 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|sd=1 | |setweight=t | ||
|sd=1.0 | |||
|r=5.5 | |r=5.5 | ||
|bn=top | |bn=top | ||
| Line 333: | Line 364: | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect=Slash | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Marth | |sfx=Marth Sword | ||
|slvl=L | |slvl=L | ||
|clang=f | |clang=f | ||
| Line 342: | Line 373: | ||
|damage=3.0% | |damage=3.0% | ||
|angle=40 | |angle=40 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=55 | |bk=55 | ||
|ks=30 | |ks=30 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|sd=1.0 | |sd=1.0 | ||
|r=5.5 | |r=5.5 | ||
| Line 360: | Line 393: | ||
|rebound=f | |rebound=f | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle| | {{HitboxTableTitle|Down|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=0 | |id=0 | ||
|damage=3.0% | |damage=3.0% | ||
|angle=52 | |angle=52 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=40 | |bk=40 | ||
|ks=30 | |ks=30 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|r=4.8 | |r=4.8 | ||
|bn=top | |bn=top | ||
| Line 387: | Line 422: | ||
|damage=4.0% | |damage=4.0% | ||
|angle=52 | |angle=52 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=40 | |bk=40 | ||
|ks=30 | |ks=30 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|setweight=t | |||
|sd=1.0 | |sd=1.0 | ||
|r=3.0 | |r=3.0 | ||
| Line 405: | Line 442: | ||
|rebound=f | |rebound=f | ||
}} | }} | ||
|} | |} | ||
===Fourth | ===Fourth hits=== | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | {{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle| | {{HitboxTableTitle|Up|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=0 | |id=0 | ||
|damage=5.0% | |damage=5.0% | ||
|angle=79 | |angle=79 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=85 | |bk=85 | ||
|ks=40 | |ks=40 | ||
| Line 437: | Line 474: | ||
|damage=7.0% | |damage=7.0% | ||
|angle=87 | |angle=87 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=80 | |bk=80 | ||
|ks=40 | |ks=40 | ||
| Line 450: | Line 488: | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect=Slash | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Marth | |sfx=Marth Sword | ||
|slvl=L | |slvl=L | ||
|clang=f | |clang=f | ||
| Line 459: | Line 497: | ||
|damage=5.0% | |damage=5.0% | ||
|angle=79 | |angle=79 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=85 | |bk=85 | ||
|ks=40 | |ks=40 | ||
| Line 481: | Line 520: | ||
|damage=7.0% | |damage=7.0% | ||
|angle=87 | |angle=87 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=80 | |bk=80 | ||
|ks=40 | |ks=40 | ||
| Line 494: | Line 534: | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect=Slash | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Marth | |sfx=Marth Sword | ||
|slvl=L | |slvl=L | ||
|clang=f | |clang=f | ||
|rebound=f | |rebound=f | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle| | {{HitboxTableTitle|Forward|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=0 | |id=0 | ||
|damage=4.0% | |damage=4.0% | ||
|angle=361 | |angle=361 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=74 | |bk=74 | ||
|ks=103 | |ks=103 | ||
| Line 512: | Line 553: | ||
|ypos=9.0 | |ypos=9.0 | ||
|zpos=11.7 | |zpos=11.7 | ||
|sd= | |sd=5.0 | ||
|ff=1.0 | |ff=1.0 | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
| Line 525: | Line 566: | ||
|damage=6.0% | |damage=6.0% | ||
|angle=361 | |angle=361 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=85 | |bk=85 | ||
|ks=125 | |ks=125 | ||
| Line 537: | Line 579: | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect=Slash | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Marth | |sfx=Marth Sword | ||
|slvl=L | |slvl=L | ||
|clang=f | |clang=f | ||
| Line 546: | Line 588: | ||
|damage=4.0% | |damage=4.0% | ||
|angle=361 | |angle=361 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=74 | |bk=74 | ||
|ks=103 | |ks=103 | ||
| Line 554: | Line 597: | ||
|ypos=9.0 | |ypos=9.0 | ||
|zpos=5.0 | |zpos=5.0 | ||
|sd=5 | |sd=5.0 | ||
|ff=1.0 | |ff=1.0 | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
| Line 563: | Line 606: | ||
|rebound=f | |rebound=f | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle| | {{HitboxTableTitle|Down, hits 1-4|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=0 | |id=0 | ||
|damage=2.0% | |damage=2.0% | ||
|angle=80 | |angle=80 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=2 | |bk=2 | ||
|ks=20 | |ks=20 | ||
| Line 590: | Line 634: | ||
|damage=2.0% | |damage=2.0% | ||
|angle=80 | |angle=80 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=2 | |bk=2 | ||
|ks=20 | |ks=20 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|r= | |r=4.0 | ||
|bn=top | |bn=top | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
| Line 612: | Line 657: | ||
|damage=2.0% | |damage=2.0% | ||
|angle=80 | |angle=80 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=2 | |bk=2 | ||
|ks=20 | |ks=20 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|r=5 | |r=4.5 | ||
|bn=top | |bn=top | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
|ypos=6.0 | |ypos=6.0 | ||
|zpos=6.0 | |zpos=6.0 | ||
|ff=0.5 | |ff=0.5 | ||
|sdi=1.0 | |sdi=1.0 | ||
| Line 630: | Line 675: | ||
|rebound=f | |rebound=f | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle| | {{HitboxTableTitle|Down, hit 5|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=0 | |id=0 | ||
|damage=4.0% | |damage=4.0% | ||
|angle=30 | |angle=30 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=57 | |bk=57 | ||
|ks=90 | |ks=90 | ||
| Line 657: | Line 703: | ||
|damage=5.0% | |damage=5.0% | ||
|angle=30 | |angle=30 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=60 | |bk=60 | ||
|ks=90 | |ks=90 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|r= | |r=3.0 | ||
|bn=top | |bn=top | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
| Line 670: | Line 717: | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect=Stab | |effect=Stab | ||
|sfx=Marth | |sfx=Marth Sword | ||
|slvl=L | |slvl=L | ||
|clang=f | |clang=f | ||
| Line 679: | Line 726: | ||
|damage=4.0% | |damage=4.0% | ||
|angle=30 | |angle=30 | ||
|af=3 | |||
|bk=57 | |bk=57 | ||
|ks=90 | |ks=90 | ||
| Line 687: | Line 735: | ||
|ypos=5.0 | |ypos=5.0 | ||
|zpos=5.0 | |zpos=5.0 | ||
|ff=1.0 | |ff=1.0 | ||
|sdi=1.0 | |sdi=1.0 | ||
| Line 698: | Line 745: | ||
}} | }} | ||
|} | |} | ||
==Timing== | ==Timing== | ||
=== | ===First hit=== | ||
{|class="wikitable" | {|class="wikitable" | ||
!Hitboxes | !Hitboxes | ||
| Line 707: | Line 755: | ||
|12 | |12 | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Interruptible grounded | !Continuability window | ||
|2-30 | |||
|- | |||
!Interruptible (grounded) | |||
|40 | |||
|- | |||
!Interruptible (aerial) | |||
|30 | |||
|- | |||
!Animation length | |||
|66 | |||
|} | |||
{{FrameStripStart}} | |||
!Grounded {{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=8}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=3|e=HitboxContinuableS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=28|s=LagContinuableE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=27}} | |||
|- | |||
!Aerial {{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=8}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=3|e=HitboxContinuableS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=18|s=LagContinuableE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=37}} | |||
|- | |||
!Continuability {{FrameStrip|t=Blank|c=1}}{{FrameStrip|t=Continuable|c=29}}{{FrameStrip|t=Blank|c=36}} | |||
{{FrameStripEnd}} | |||
===Second hit=== | |||
====Upward==== | |||
{|class="wikitable" | |||
!Hitboxes | |||
|4-7 | |||
|- | |||
!Earliest continuable | |||
|8 | |||
|- | |||
!Continuability window | |||
|2-29 | |||
|- | |||
!Interruptible (grounded) | |||
|39 | |39 | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Interruptible aerial | !Interruptible (aerial) | ||
| | |41 | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Animation length | |||
|51 | |||
|} | |} | ||
{{FrameStripStart}} | {{FrameStripStart}} | ||
!Grounded {{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=4|e=HitboxContinuableS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=31|s=LagContinuableE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=13}} | |||
|- | |||
!Aerial {{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=4|e=HitboxContinuableS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=33|s=LagContinuableE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=11}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
!Continuability {{FrameStrip|t=Blank|c=1}}{{FrameStrip|t=Continuable|c=28}}{{FrameStrip|t=Blank|c=22}} | |||
{{FrameStripEnd}} | {{FrameStripEnd}} | ||
=== | |||
====Forward==== | |||
{|class="wikitable" | {|class="wikitable" | ||
! | !Hitboxes | ||
|5-7 | |5-7 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | !Earliest continuable | ||
|8 | |8 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | !Continuability window | ||
| | |2-29 | ||
|- | |||
!Interruptible (grounded) | |||
|39 | |||
|- | |||
!Interruptible (aerial) | |||
|41 | |||
|- | |- | ||
! | !Animation length | ||
|4- | |48 | ||
|} | |||
{{FrameStripStart}} | |||
!Grounded {{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=3|e=HitboxContinuableS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=31|s=LagContinuableE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=10}} | |||
|- | |||
!Aerial {{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=3|e=HitboxContinuableS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=33|s=LagContinuableE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=8}} | |||
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!Continuability {{FrameStrip|t=Blank|c=1}}{{FrameStrip|t=Continuable|c=28}}{{FrameStrip|t=Blank|c=19}} | |||
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===Third hit=== | |||
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{{FrameStripStart}} | {{FrameStripStart}} | ||
!Grounded {{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=3|e=HitboxContinuableS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=36|s=LagContinuableE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=8}} | |||
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!Continuability {{FrameStrip|t=Blank|c=1}}{{FrameStrip|t=Continuable|c=23}}{{FrameStrip|t=Blank|c=27}} | |||
{{FrameStripEnd}} | {{FrameStripEnd}} | ||
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{{FrameStripStart}} | {{FrameStripStart}} | ||
!Grounded {{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=3|e=HitboxContinuableS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=36|s=LagContinuableE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=10}} | |||
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!Aerial {{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=3|e=HitboxContinuableS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=39|s=LagContinuableE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=7}} | |||
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{{FrameStripEnd}} | {{FrameStripEnd}} | ||
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===Fourth hit=== | |||
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{{FrameStripStart}} | |||
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{{FrameStripStart}} | {{FrameStripStart}} | ||
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=6}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=46}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=20}} | |||
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{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=6}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=1}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=1}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=1}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=1}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=53}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=13}} | |||
{{FrameStripEnd}} | {{FrameStripEnd}} | ||
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==Trivia== | ==Trivia== | ||
* Despite being a | *Despite being a forward-angled attack, the second hit's standard variant is named "SpecialS2Lw" (or "SpecialAirS2Lw" in the case of the aerial version) within the game's files, using the suffix of the downward-angled attacks instead. | ||
{{MvSubNavMarth|g=SSBU}} | {{MvSubNavMarth|g=SSBU}} | ||
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Hitbox visualizations[edit]
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Overview[edit]
Dancing Blade can be used as a standard combo ender. It should be avoided in neutral as it is very unsafe on shield, with most opponents having enough time to dash forward and grab before Marth can jump. His safest option if a non-ending hit does hit a shield is to continue using Dancing Blade, delaying hits in hope that the opponent drops their shield. It is Marth's third fastest out-of-shield option, tied with neutral aerial. It is slightly easier to perform than up aerial (second fastest by 1 frame) and doesn't leave him as vulnerable as whiffing his fastest out-of-shield, up special.
The down-angle ender provides the most damage. The side-angle ender sweetspot can KO very early on, being able to KO several characters below 70% at ledge (30-50% earlier than the non-sweetspot hits). The side-angle ender's sweetspot can be hard to hit as it has lower priority than the weaker hits, requiring the attack to be delayed for the highest chance of hitting the sweetspot. Because of various other factors such as rage and directional influence, hitting the sweetspot is inconsistent and it is best to plan around a non-sweetspot hitting instead. Forward tilt is a good, grounded alternative if the side-angle ender's sweetspot is too difficult to land.
The first hit can be used to attack an opponent recovering along the stage, making it a safer alternative to up special (which has the potential to face the wrong way and likely lead to an SD). It also serves as a mixup option, as the tech timing is different than that of an up special along with requiring different reaction timing, potentially resulting in the opponent buffering an air dodge if they've been conditioned to expect up specials. The first hit can also be used to reorient Marth to properly use an aerial or correct his direction to more safely perform an up special.
While recovering, the first hit can be used to slightly halt his downward movement. This can make his recovery slightly less predictable, along with being much safer against opponents that have high-commitment edgeguards or to intercept opponents who go for an offstage KO.
Hitboxes[edit]
First hit[edit]
| ID | Part | Rehit rate | Damage | SD | Angle | Angle type | BK | KS | FKV | Set weight | Radius | Bone | Offset | H× | SDI× | T% | Clang | Rebound | Effect | Type | G | A | Sound | Direct | Hit bits | Hit part | Blockable | Reflectable | Absorbable | Flinchless | No GFX | Heedless | ||
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| 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5% | 0 |  |
Forward | 25 | 30 | 0 |  |
6.5 | top | 0.0 | 9.0 | 13.0 | 0.5× | 0.8× | 0% |  |
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5.5 | top | 0.0 | 9.0 | 16.0 | 0.5× | 0.8× | 0% | |
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5.5 | top | 0.0 | 9.0 | 8.0 | 0.5× | 0.8× | 0% | |
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Second hits[edit]
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| 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5% | 0 | |
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4.5 | top | 0.0 | 6.0 to 16.0 | 12.5 | 0.7× | 0.8× | 0% | |
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| 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0% | 1.0 |  |
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4.5 | top | 0.0 | 6.0 to 15.0 | 9.0 | 0.7× | 0.8× | 0% | |
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| 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.0% | 1.0 |  |
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4.5 | top | 0.0 | 6.0 to 21.0 | 10.5 | 1.0× | 0.8× | 0% | |
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3.0 | top | 0.0 | 6.0 to 21.0 | 15.0 | 1.0× | 0.8× | 0% | |
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4.0 | top | 0.0 | 21.0 to 24.0 | 11.0 to 4.0 | 1.0× | 0.8× | 0% | |
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3.0 | top | 0.0 | 23.0 to 27.0 | 14.0 to 4.0 | 1.0× | 0.8× | 0% | |
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7.0 | top | 0.0 | 9.0 | 5.0 | 1.0× | 1.0× | 0% | |
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5.0 | top | 0.0 | 6.0 | 11.0 | 0.5× | 1.0× | 0% | |
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5.0 | top | 0.0 | 7.0 | 11.0 | 1.0× | 1.0× | 0% | |
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Timing[edit]
First hit[edit]
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| Continuability window | 2-30 |
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Second hit[edit]
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| Continuability window | 2-29 |
| Interruptible (grounded) | 39 |
| Interruptible (aerial) | 41 |
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| Hitboxes | 5-7 |
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| Earliest continuable | 8 |
| Continuability window | 2-29 |
| Interruptible (grounded) | 39 |
| Interruptible (aerial) | 41 |
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| Hitboxes | 5-7 |
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| Earliest continuable | 8 |
| Continuability window | 2-24 |
| Interruptible (grounded) | 44 |
| Interruptible (aerial) | 47 |
| Animation length | 51 |
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| Earliest continuable | 7 |
| Continuability window | 2-24 |
| Interruptible (grounded) | 44 |
| Interruptible (aerial) | 47 |
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| Hitboxes | 5-7 |
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| Earliest continuable | 8 |
| Continuability window | 2-24 |
| Interruptible (grounded) | 44 |
| Interruptible (aerial) | 47 |
| Animation length | 53 |
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Fourth hit[edit]
Upward[edit]
| Hitboxes | 6-10 |
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| Interruptible | 45 |
| Animation length | 66 |
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| Hitboxes | 7-9 |
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| Interruptible | 56 |
| Animation length | 75 |
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| Hits 1-4 | 7, 10, 13, 16 |
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| Hit 5 | 19-21 |
| Interruptible | 75 |
| Animation length | 87 |
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Hitbox |
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.png){kind=small} .png){kind=small} Earliest continuable point |
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Parameters[edit]
| Horizontal speed multiplier on startup | 0.5 |
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| Added vertical speed in the air | 1.4 |
Trivia[edit]
- Despite being a forward-angled attack, the second hit's standard variant is named "SpecialS2Lw" (or "SpecialAirS2Lw" in the case of the aerial version) within the game's files, using the suffix of the downward-angled attacks instead.
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