Talk:Perfect shield

Frame Data

So for the sake of professionalism, I really feel like the input window for powershields should be listed on the page. IIRC it was 1 in melee and like 5 in Brawl or something of the sort. I don't know, but I would be able to check to confirm this kind of information if there was some sort of, like, online resource on the matter; a collection of web pages dedicated to providing information akin to an encyclopedia, but over a particular subject, if you would.

Kink-Link5 (talk) 21:05, 16 June 2012 (EDT)

-NEVERMIND, it was just a little buried in the beginning section; it would still be nice to put in the trivia section something about either their being differences in timing between the games, or something like "Although it is commonly believed there's a difference, there isn't one," if there is indeed none. Kink-Link5 (talk) 03:44, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

Rename

Discuss. Currently neutral. RoyboyX Talk 09:31, 2 June 2013 (EDT)

I propose splitting this page into »Powershield (SSBM)« and »Powershield (SSBB)«, with »Perfect shield« redirecting to the latter. I have some knowledge on powershielding in Melee and can write the Melee page. Kadano (talk) 12:43, 2 June 2013 (EDT)

It's the same technique, no reason to split. Toomai Glittershine The Prismatic 13:18, 2 June 2013 (EDT)

Not really, frame data and function is different in many ways. I know combining both games in most of the articles is standard here, but for techniques like this where players need a good reference to look up this is a very bad solution. Kadano (talk) 15:03, 2 June 2013 (EDT)

Frame data is just a different set of numbers; function is pretty much the same (press shield button just before being hit to block with no shield reduction or lag). I have a hard time believing that the differences in technicalities of the technique between the two games is enough to warrant a separate page; it's not like people will get confused or something just because the page is primarily divided into two sections. Toomai Glittershine The Altruistic 16:56, 2 June 2013 (EDT)

Well, you don’t play competitively, do you? For those who do, it’s sometimes very important to know how exactly powershielding works. Right now, this information is pretty hard to find. Magus420 once wrote elaborate posts about it on smashboards, but the search engine there is broken and it’s not even a dedicated thread. So far I thought ssbwiki has an encyclopedic pretense, and right now this »Perfect shield« article doesn’t contain any useful information concerning Melee powershielding. To competitive players it has no value. Now of course I could include all the information about Melee’s powershielding workings here, but this would make the article cluttered and confusing to casual players. How about writing a subpage for Melee titled »Powershielding/SSBM« containing the more detailed information linked from the Melee section of the current article? Kadano (talk) 17:03, 2 June 2013 (EDT)

You can go ahead and add the data anyway. If you don't know how to make it non-confusing to non-competitive players, other people are probably open to help. Toomai Glittershine The Loony 18:07, 2 June 2013 (EDT)

Pretty much what Toomai said, and with the sections and subsections, you can keep Melee and Brawl information separate, while still keeping it detailed and organised. If there's so much valid information that the page becomes too large (over 32K is pretty much our standard cutoff point), then yeah, splitting the page into subpages will be a valid idea. Such information should be in the article first to demonstrate the need of separate articles though.

On another note, I give you props for being able to explain a major reason that the Wiki can be potentially such a useful resource for competitive players over Smashboards (it's really is too damn difficult to find stuff there most of the time). Now if only more competitive and competitively knowledgeable players would be willing to write here to help achieve that. Omega Tyrant 09:42, 3 June 2013 (EDT)