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#Oh most certainly. Project M not only has two new characters but many characters function so differently from their vBrawl counterparts that is would be silly not to. Characters like Snake and Wario are so different. The Project M community would benefit greatly from this. As nice as Smashboards is the info can be confusingly formated or downright wrong. While SSBWiki can't completely defend against from this it will at least be all in one place.--[[User:LockableFaceman]] ([[User talk:LockableFaceman|talk]]) | #Oh most certainly. Project M not only has two new characters but many characters function so differently from their vBrawl counterparts that is would be silly not to. Characters like Snake and Wario are so different. The Project M community would benefit greatly from this. As nice as Smashboards is the info can be confusingly formated or downright wrong. While SSBWiki can't completely defend against from this it will at least be all in one place.--[[User:LockableFaceman]] ([[User talk:LockableFaceman|talk]]) | ||
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#[[SW:OFFICIAL|SmashWiki is not official]], and PM can have its own character articles and such if it has a significant community fanbase, which it does. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 21:00, 17 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
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Place your vote here if you think Project M character info should remain on the hack's main page. | Place your vote here if you think Project M character info should remain on the hack's main page. | ||
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#Again. Most certainly! I play P:M and Melee and P:M is very different from Melee and vBrawl. The only characters I can think of that are similar enough to warrent no mention are Fox and Falco. And even inthat respect they are different enough. The new metagame means their moves may be used differently and of course frame data is not precisely similar. I honestly believe having all the Project M info for characters all in one very easy to navigate place will help a quickly growing community grow only quicker. Very few characters lack a new move or three and many existing moves act VERY differently (see Diddy's side special for example). I think Project M deserves it. [[User:LockableFaceman]] | #Again. Most certainly! I play P:M and Melee and P:M is very different from Melee and vBrawl. The only characters I can think of that are similar enough to warrent no mention are Fox and Falco. And even inthat respect they are different enough. The new metagame means their moves may be used differently and of course frame data is not precisely similar. I honestly believe having all the Project M info for characters all in one very easy to navigate place will help a quickly growing community grow only quicker. Very few characters lack a new move or three and many existing moves act VERY differently (see Diddy's side special for example). I think Project M deserves it. [[User:LockableFaceman]] | ||
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#I don't see what's wrong with having them, and the PM articles would not be complete without detailed movesets like this. As long as there are people willing to write them (not me though since I don't play it), I'm perfectly fine with it. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 21:00, 17 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
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Place your vote here if you think the effort required to extend the project is not worth it. | Place your vote here if you think the effort required to extend the project is not worth it. | ||
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#While I do say yes to this I obviously don't think we need to go crazy. Things like Turbo Mode, the Crew Battle system, the buffer system, stage striking system. These all should be noted in new pages. But any mechanic that is the same or similar to vBrawl or Melee could potentially be left un-mentioned or only given a small description in their relative pages. Things such as footstooling could be noted to have changed. [[User:LockableFaceman]] | #While I do say yes to this I obviously don't think we need to go crazy. Things like Turbo Mode, the Crew Battle system, the buffer system, stage striking system. These all should be noted in new pages. But any mechanic that is the same or similar to vBrawl or Melee could potentially be left un-mentioned or only given a small description in their relative pages. Things such as footstooling could be noted to have changed. [[User:LockableFaceman]] | ||
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#Stuff such as new stages, and even things such as '''Green Hill Zone (PM)''' may be reasonable, how are people aupposed to know about this stuff? aren't we striving to be complete? However, I don't feel glitches and stuff (if there are any) need articles as the game has a mostly competitive fanbase and feel. As long as we have people willing to write this, I'm fine with it. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 21:00, 17 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
===TOI: No=== | ===TOI: No=== | ||
Place your vote here if you think Project M stage and technique info should remain on the hack's main page. | Place your vote here if you think Project M stage and technique info should remain on the hack's main page. | ||
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#On PM character pages and tournaments.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 09:41, 17 October 2013 (EDT) | #On PM character pages and tournaments.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 09:41, 17 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
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#On its own character articles, stages, and tournaments. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 21:00, 17 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
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Place your vote here if you think PM should not even get an article icon. | Place your vote here if you think PM should not even get an article icon. |
Revision as of 21:00, October 17, 2013
It has come to my attention that this Project M thing is getting pretty big: it already has recognition and equal standing to the three real games on SmashBoards and in tournaments. And now, multiple people are requesting that we do the same here.
At present, SW:NOT defines that we should keep away from fanon and fan games due to the impossibility of defining a notability criteria. However, Project M has a few properties that make it hard to fit into this generality:
- It defines its own notability criteria by being the only Brawl hack to reach widespread public recognition and tournament participation.
- It is only ambiguously a fan game, as it is a hack and not a bottom-up recreation. Highly notable hacks do have a place on-wiki.
The current policy on notable hacks (including Project M) is to contain all info about the hack on a single page and refrain from mentioning it on other pages. This debate is to determine whether we should change this policy, and in what way.
Process
This page has several sections. Read every section before you vote in any of them; some are mutually exclusive. The rules of voting are as follows:
- Place your vote in each applicable section. Make sure to sign your votes.
- You may include a reason with your vote, or you may not. If you do choose to include a reason, do not argue with what others have already said, as this is sure to be a controversial subject and arguing doesn't help anybody. Instead, put your entire opinion on the table. Express your reasoning as completely as possible, preferably without referring to anyone else's reasons, so that you will not need to elaborate in the future.
- If what you want to see has no option, vote in whatever's closest and state what you want to see as your reason. If enough others decide to side with this option it may be added for real.
- You may change your votes and/or reasons at any time, ensuring that it still conforms to the above.
- Votes that are unnecessary (a "no" in a subtopic where the user already voted "no" in the parent topic) will be deleted. Unsigned votes will be deleted, as will those with incorrect formatting. Reasons that break the given guidelines will be removed; the vote itself will remain. You can re-vote later if you do it properly.
- As with everything on the wiki, winning the vote does not guarantee winning the decision. Weight is given to arguments and voters' on-wiki experience. Recruiting new users from offsite to vote for your side will not help.
Topic: Allow Project M to have independent character pages
Note: A "Yes" decision here implies that relevant images, templates, and categories will also be allowed.
TCP: YesPlace your vote here if you would like to see
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TCP: NoPlace your vote here if you think Project M character info should remain on the hack's main page.
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Subtopic: Allow Project M to have moveset subpages
Note: If you voted "No" for individual character pages, do not vote here (your vote here is assumed "No").
STMS: YesPlace your vote here if you would like to see the moveset subpage project extended to PM.
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STMS: NoPlace your vote here if you think the effort required to extend the project is not worth it.
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Topic: Allow Project M to have other independent pages
TOI: YesPlace your vote here if you would like to see pages for other things that are PM-exclusive, such as stages and techniques.
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TOI: NoPlace your vote here if you think Project M stage and technique info should remain on the hack's main page.
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Topic: Give Project M equal standing with the real games
Note: "Equal standing" does not mean "part of the Smash Bros. series". The series itself will always be only the official games; the phrase "the Smash Bros. series" does not and will not refer to PM.
TEQ: YesPlace your vote here if you would like to see things like PM information in game-agnostic articles and PM links in infoboxes.
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TEQ: PartiallyPlace your vote here if you are okay with PM information in potentially any article, but only as a subset of Melee or Brawl information.
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TEQ: NoPlace your vote here if you think info about Project M should not be visible on any page that is not directly related to the hack.
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Subtopic: Usage of Project M article icon
STAI: EverywherePlace your vote here if you would like to see the PM article icon on any article that mentions it.
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STAI: LimitedPlace your vote here if you think the PM article icon should only be on PM-exclusive pages.
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STAI: NonePlace your vote here if you think PM should not even get an article icon. |
Votes: Delete notable hacks such as Project M from the wiki
Finally, there will be those who do not believe that even the most notable of hacks deserve representation on a wiki whose mission statement is to document the Smash Bros. series as unbiasedly as possible. This section is for those people to post their votes. If you intend to vote here, do not place a vote for the other topics.
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