User talk:MaskedMarth/archive1

This is a discussion archive of my talk page from 2006 and 2007.

Mindgaming

I don't see how you can say someone is using the term 'mind-game' out of context. Could you show me one example where it is? Mind-gaming is a technique that is more or less important, but it's a technique nonetheless. You can't just remove it because it's less useful then people claim it to be. If people think mind-gaming is essential in their strategy, so be it. Wiki sites are for information, not oppinion.

A Mewtwo con: "Requires a lot of mindgames in order to effectively play Mewtwo and a deep understanding in the opponent's character and Mewtwo's moveset." What does this say? That Mewtwo has to outguess his opponent to win? Duh, that's what you have to do with every character! A Fox that is always outguessed by his opponent loses just as much as a Mewtwo. In that case, I removed the point because it uses mindgames as an excuse - Mewtwo just sucks, is all, mindgames or none.

Mindgames from wave-dashing. While Tobias' example of mindgames is correct, the thrust of his paragraph is that mindgames are a totally abstract thing that cannot be taught. No they aren't, and if we continue to treat them as such we will never learn. I prefer to use the term "guessing game" which carries the same solid meaning as mindgames without the added element of mystery. Therein lies another problem in the term mindgames.

There is no doubt that "mindgaming" (it's a verb now!?) is an essential aspect of players' repertoires, but we also have an obligation to use language that isn't confusing or loaded with other meanings. Mindgames, as they should be defined (unless you're one of a smallish group of people that uses mindgames to mean the psychological aspect of Smash; these multiple definitions provide another problem to the term), mean a very specific thing - the guessing games in which one player's options are influenced by the potential costs and benefits of another player's options. Sirlin explains this concept better than I do in his articles about Yomi layers. When this clear idea becomes murky, then we need to recycle the dirty term and start with one that is fresh and clear.

"Guessing games" is my suggestion, and I think that by its very name it is a more useful term than mindgames. "Mindgames" contains the word "mind," which carries connotations of mystery and magic, whereas it is clear what "guessing" means - it's a down-to-earth concept that can be discussed frankly. You say that the wiki sites are for information, and I agree. And I also think the best way to disseminate information is by explaining it in exact terminology. That is precisely why I have, here and elsewhere, constantly undermined the use of such terms as "priority" and "mindgames" that have become useless through misuse. --MaskedMarth 01:01, September 14, 2006 (GMT)

I do understand that some of the context is sketchy in Smash Wiki, and that is exactly why people, such as you and I, come to edit them. Poorly worded though it may be, the Mewtwo con is attempting to tell us that in order to play Mewtwo to his fullest extent, you need to be unpredictable (fooling your opponent)and have a complete understanding of your opponents moveset and probabilities. Example: An advanced Captain Falcon player will often use his Forward Air as it is a very powerful attack. If you are aware of that, you will know to stay out of the way of Captain Falcon's knee, right? That's understanding your opponent('s character). Understanding Mewtwo's moveset should be basic knowledge to any player who uses Mewtwo, so perhaps that is a seperate article of fact by itself. Again: that is why you and I edit these things.

I've always thought of mindgaming (Yes, it is a verb, just like online-gaming, or (trading) card-gaming.) as a technique in which you outwit your opponent by doing things that are erratic and unexpected to fool your opponent into a point of being off-guard or the such. The flaw being, of course, not all players will allow them selves to be caught off-guard, or at least not on purpose (example: If I was dashing to you full speed with Marth, a natural reaction might be for you to smash A at me, to which I would respond ((because I had the idea in my head before applying)) wavedash back to miss the attack, then wavedash forward to get back in range, you suffering from a limited amount of lag; that would be your moment of being off-guard.). Another mindgame technique might be to stay on the ground after being knocked, waiting for an opponent to approach, then attack in their state of (self-brought) being off-guard. The problem therein lies with the fact of the lack of things you can do to mindgame. I mean, this game was made to be an all out smash fest, not a game of chess, right? The programmers didn't (to the best of my knowledge) place the very limited techniques you can do on purpose, other wise there would be more. So wavedashing back and forth, staying dead, short-hopping on a ledge, whatever it may be, has all been done before, and there is very little, if any, techniques to apply whilst mindgaming. Even dashdancing, which I consider to be a form of mindgaming, has been done to the point of getting it's own name. You call it the "guessing game" I call it mindgaming, someone else calls it outwitting, another outfoxing. It's all synonymous. No matter which way you put it, mindgaming is mind gaming.

I do agree, hopefully explained in the above paragraph, of your discription of mindgaming, but like I said: mindgaming has many different forms and techniques. It is just given one general name because it is a general concept, not a firm action like wavedashing. Dashdancing (which, if you recall, I consider a technique of mindgaming) is a firm action, but is under the category of mindgaming. So your mindgaming isn't a "down-to-earth concept that we can discuss frankly" idea is really correct. It is just a general term for all of the different forms and shapes of mindgaming. So maybe instead of just trying to obliterate the concept of mindgaming, we should polish the sections of it, and be more specific in the forms of mindgaming. You know, expand the realm of Super Smash Brothers Melee that is mindgaming. How's all that sound?

Well I essentially agree with your final point. I'm not trying to obliterate the concept of mindgames, just the term that has lost clarity. We need to take mindgames seriously, because it is indeed a really big part of Smash. I think where we disagree is on how to take mindgames seriously. I argue that the best way is to avoid the term until it is used more specifically, and you argue that we should strive to make the term more specifically while using it.

So I'm not going to defend to death why I think mindgames should be taken out of usage, because we agree on the same major point. In fact, when it comes to the SmashWiki, perhaps the best solution is to create an article on mindgames (and mindgaming >_>) that serves as a definitive explanation. In the meantime, you've convinced me to not be so militant about the use of the term "mindgames" - I won't just delete the word on sight, but I will try to find better, clearer alternatives when I can (for instance, when the idea of "mindgames" can be explained in greater depth with another idea, like "dashdancing to counter enemy attack" or something of that sort).

So your mindgaming isn't a "down-to-earth concept that we can discuss frankly..." I agree that mindgaming is not down-to-earth in the sense that it's a direct aspect of the game, like wavedashing or l-cancelling. I do think that the concept of mindgaming (not the term) is very clear, which is what I meant by "down-to-earth." In retrospect, probably not the best expression for me to use.

In any case, examples of mindgames get murky when we look at the approach, but they are quite clear when we look at comboing/DI options and edge-guarding. Consider Captain Falcon's recovery. He has essentially two options - sweet spot or go over the edge. Let's suppose the enemy isn't very good at edge-guarding and has two options - attack on the ground (which trumps Falcon's over-edge recovery, but loses if Falcon sweet spots) and edge-hog (which works if Falcon sweet spots but loses if he comes over the edge). There is all the material for a mindgame we need. Falcon needs to outpredict his opponent - understand his opponent's mind, really - to make it safely on-stage. If Falcon, for the previous several recovery attempts, tried to sweet spot the edge, the enemy will be more likely to edge-hog, and will be caught off-guard if Falcon switches it up by going over the edge.

These types of situations happen all the time in the game of Smash, which is very much a fast-paced game of chess. Falcon's recovery and his opponent's edge-guarding combine to form mindgames. A Fox's teching patterns and CFalcon's tech chasing patterns combine to form mindgames. Generally, the guessing games involved in combos and edge-guarding are easy to understand. They are much more difficult in the approach because there are so many options when it comes to movement! I could wave-dash, I could wave-dash slightly shorter or longer than usual, I could dashdance so far this way and so far that way, and you can't reduce the depth of the approach into a simple mindgame. The approach-based examples of mindgames - like the one you cite, with wave-dashing back or choosing to not tech - are simple threads in a complicated fabric, and upon seeing the complicated fabric many Smashers become afraid and attribute "mindgames" to anything weird or unadvanced a player does.

When Aniki uses ground attacks and simple projectile setups and beats Ken, and the GERM uses flashy bomb tricks and all his advanced techniques and isn't even considered good, we blame mindgames. "Aniki isn't as good a Link as the GERM, but he has mad mindgames." That is too simplistic an explanation. More likely, the GERM is simply using advanced techniques in a situation for which simple techniques would be better, the same way a medium-level Fox is better off learning the simple up throw to up aerial combo, instead of complicated shime combos that are above his head. We don't need to use mindgames to explain that, and mindgames indeed have nothing to do with it. Mindgames should not be a catch-all to label confusing phenomena like why Aniki is better than GERM, and that's why I fight against the use of such a confusing term.

Or, rather, I fight for making the terminology clear and specific, just like you are. --MaskedMarth 15:09, September 14, 2006 (GMT)

So how do you propose we define this? Break mindgaming down into different sections? My suggestion is that we place all of the different aspects of mindgaming into the single page unless the specific mindgame technique is linked to a respective page (i.e. Dashdancing, Wavedashing, ect.). The page layout would look simaler to a characters page in the sense that it would have the main defination and then the breakdown of it in the subsections below it. One object I do believe we should point out is this disscussion here and state the fact that mindgames is a general abstract term whereas the subsections are the physical techniques that can be accomplished. As you said earlier; the term and usage of mindgaming itself is quite often used incorrectly. It should go without saying that information should on the page. On a side-note, I do believe that "mindgaming", the verb, is a word and should be used as such. I can defend that word, should you disagree.

All and all, I'm glad someone like yourself is on Smashwiki and I have another to converse with about thoughts and aspects of the game that have never really been looked into with depth. Keep in touch, Mask. My e-mail is on my userpage. Oddeven2002 21:35, September 15, 2006 (GMT)

I'm perfectly fine with mindgaming as a verb - I was just surprised that it had become a word. Smash termonology changes so quickly it catches me by surprise.

I'm equally pleased to have somebody on Smashwiki that thinks deeply about these issues. I'll definitely keep in touch (I can be reached at MaskedFalcon@gmail.com).

You're a four-armed monster? I know exactly what you are - you're Machamp! --MaskedMarth 17:04, September 16, 2006 (GMT)

For some reason this page shows it has a broken redirect, to tier wars. Any idea why, and how can this be fixed? -- Bean 23:43, November 5, 2006 (GMT)

I redirect to User:MaskedMarth/bored, but I kept the text of my userpage as well, which included a broken link (an article I was planning on getting around to). For some reason, the software thinks User:MaskedMarth redirects to Tier Wars, for this reason (probably because it's a link that appears after the redirect tag). I can fix that by removing the tier wars link, or removing the redirect. --MaskedMarth 19:39, November 7, 2006 (GMT)

sup

I never edit people's userpages, except where I am an admin. The Swedish sentence could be "Min användarsida på svenska Wikipedia" or "Min svenska Wikipedia-användarsida/Wikipediaanvändarsida". Also I'm glad somebody more than me speak Swedish. – Smiddle / talk 22:07, December 1, 2006 (GMT)

Game Controls

Shouldn't the aerial and grab pages just be condensed to two pages? I don't see there much use for having one for back/forward/all the aeirals/grabs, when there's already a grab page. Thoughts? --Pyoro T

Hmm...we could extend that to all the "types" of attacks, such that Smash attack is an article but forward smash is not. And it would make things a little easier to manage, I guess. However, I think the more specific pages can be used to discuss notable attacks (see forward aerial) and general trends of the attack (see neutral aerial, about sex kicks) that would be harder to put in a generalized topic. I don't know. --MaskedMarth 20:08, December 20, 2006 (GMT)

=/ I dunno. IMO it makes more sense to have all aerial info in a page, then the indepth on certain moves in subheaders. Makes for much easier browsing --Pyoro T

I guess we could do it either way. You may change it, if you want. --MaskedMarth 02:13, December 24, 2006 (GMT)

Easier sig

In your preferences, in the signature/nickname field, put {{SUBST:nosubst|User:MaskedMarth/sig}} and all you have to do is to type ~~~~ and your sig will automatically appear! – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 08:22, January 27, 2007 (GMT)

Sweet. Many thanks! – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 03:34, January 28, 2007 (GMT)

Picture

If any of you are wondering, this picture comes from right after our school production of Cats, the musical. I was in the ensemble. Yeah, make-up and spandex and wigs and all that. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 00:31, February 17, 2007 (GMT)

IT'S MY BIRTHDAY!!

I am 17 years old now! How......unimportant. But it's still my birthday, and 17 isn't all that bad a number, and I'm that much closer to 18 ^_^. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 19:43, April 4, 2007 (GMT)

Congrats – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 19:45, April 4, 2007 (GMT)

Yeesh! I thought all sysops at any given wiki were older than 20-year-old me... Instead of looking up to you I'm now going to end up looking down to you for your opinions on articles. But with the exact same amount of good faith, of course. ^_^ I'm still making Universe pages by the way, hope you like 'em. Erik the Appreciator 01:08, April 5, 2007 (GMT)

And I would post the lyrics to the Happy Birthday song on your talk page to show my Appreciation, but it's still considered a copyrighted song, actually, and the edit screen clearly states "DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!", so unfortunately I can't. Sorry 'bout that. And isn't 21 a far more interesting age to attain than 18? :D Erik the Appreciator 01:13, April 5, 2007 (GMT)

Hahaha Erik, hasn't Happy Birthday entered the public domain by now? Though, I'll take your word for it, because you are aged and have many more years of experience. I guess 21 is more interesting, but I'm closer to 18, so that's the first thing I look forward to ^_^. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 02:34, April 5, 2007 (GMT)

wow

Your page is pretty sweet. I have to learn how to do all the cool formatting stuff.

So...

I stole your layout, I hope you don't mind. If you think it looks too similar, you should give me some hints on how to customize it. -James Sparrow

Well, thanks, that's very flattering! I'm perfectly fine with you stealing my layout - it has a long history of being stolen and reworked (I wonder what Blankfaze thinks of it all ^_^). I don't know too much about wikicode, but one thing you can do is change the color of the boxes. Whenever you see something like #c080ff, that's the code for color. "c0" stands for the amount of red, "80" the amount of green, and "ff" the amount of blue, and each of these numbers is in hexadecimal (base sixteen) so there are digits 0 through 9, and then a through f (after "f" comes "10"). You may know all that already, but if you want to give your page your own personal coloration, that's how! – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 14:31, April 23, 2007 (GMT)

Nice, I will try that. Thanks. I also am going to try to figure out the signature thing. -James Sparrow

Odds are Blankfaze is still alive, but if he weren't, he would no doubt be rolling in his grave. Especially considering that he doesn't even have that layout on his wiki page anymore. :^) When did you get sysop powers, Masked? It's about time, now maybe we can start getting things done. -- Randall00 ^Talk 10:19, June 20, 2007 (EDT)

Haha, I think variations on your and my userpage are crawling all over the place! Actually, I've had sysop powers for a while. I'm just lazy :p. If you ever want to get me to do something, just ask :). – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 17:14, June 20, 2007 (EDT)

I'll keep that in mind. In my years of service to Smash World Forums, I've learned that my own sysop powers are nigh impossible to obtain, so it's good to have someone to go to. I'm sure I've got a list of things to do with admin powers kickin' around at work somewhere. Maybe I'll have a look tomorrow. -- Randall00 ^Talk 03:03, June 21, 2007 (EDT)

Need a little bit of help..

Hey MaskedMarth, Blackadder here. I'm new to this Wiki (Though a long time member of another Wiki, so I know the general rules) and I was wondering, (and this is somthing that always plauges me on Wikis) how do I make the page I made on the crew I'm in have "other ways of access" to it? Currently, you have to type in "Dawn Patrol" if you wan't to view the page, and I would like to know, how can I make it so you need only to type in "DP" and it'll come up with the page? Thanks for listening,

- Blackadder

Those are redirect pages and to do so, you would create an article under "DP" and have its content include only the following:

#REDIRECT [[Dawn Patrol]]

However, it should be noted that you should only create appropriate redirects. If the crew is actually known as both Dawn Patrol and DP in smash circles, then I could see it. But if you're creating a redirect just because yer too lazy to type out the words for your own editing purposes, the redirect would be promptly deleted.

If I were a sysop. :^) -- Randall00 ^Talk 14:51, July 14, 2007 (EDT)

Hmmmm...well, we do often get just called "DP". I'll give it a whirl, and hope that for the best that no one deletes it. If they do, not big loss. Thanks for your help Randall!

- Blackadder

Sorry for not replying for a while - I was away at camp. At worst we would have to create a disambig page for DP if anything else turns up with that abbreviation. So, go ahead. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 13:42, August 29, 2007 (EDT)

Thank god.

I finally found a sysop. I'm new to wiki editing entirely, and I don't even know how to add new subjects to pages besides talk pages. I've been trying to nicely edit my page to look good, but to no avail. I'm a very very quick learner when it comes to video games and the computer, and some consider me the best in my school. Considering there's only about 10 other people who play as much as me, that's not the best title to acheive. But I just can't figure out how to have bullets and separate sections and all that. If you could help me a little, that'd be great. Also, I told FyreN'water, but I have an unmarked picture of Meta Knight from the original Dojo site, as well as a copy of the theme song, but I don't know how to post them. I'd be glad to send you any needed pictures of smash If you could tell me your email. I suck at wiki editing. I am very creative too, and I like to make up my own Smash brothers story, using multiple controlers or some friends or cousins, the stages, and the characters (items off) and intertwine them into my own story. That's why I want to separate my page, so I can have and "about me" section and more, including a "My Smash Story" section. Can you help?

--ShadowZeroKaras 04:17, August 30, 2007 (EDT)

Yep, I'd be happy to help! You're lucky to have caught me, I just spent eight weeks at camp ;). This wiki should really have a guide to this stuff - I'll try to remind myself to write it. In any case, I'll show you the basics, that you asked about.

How to make a new section:

To make a section header, all you do is add two equals signs around what you want to have as your section. Thus, the section of this discussion on my talk page is written like this: == Thank god. ==. Very useful to know. You can also make subsections by using three equals signs: === Subsection ===, or a subsubsection by using four equals signs, etc.

How to use bullets

Before each phrase you want bulleted, add an asterisk (*) at the beginning of the line. Thus:

* Bullet point 1

turns into

Bullet point 2

Pretty neat, eh?

How to indent.

Simply put a color at the beginning of the line.

How to add a picture

On the left-hand navigation, you can see near the bottom (below the search box) a link that says "upload file." This is the place to upload pictures (though make sure that you stay in accordance to image policy). Basically, you upload your picture, suppose it's called "Brinstardepths.jpg." You go to the page you want to put the image on, and you type [[Image:Brinstardepths.jpg]].

I think you can upload a music file too, but I've never tried it before.

Incidentally, if you're ever curious about something you can press "edit" and look at the code. That's how I learned wikicode, basically. For instance, how does one do this:

A message in a box

Well, you could press edit on this section, and look at the wikicode I used to cause the box and typeface. Pretty nifty. I'm always here if you have any questions! – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 20:50, August 30, 2007 (EDT)

Thanks! --ShadowZeroKaras 01:35, September 2, 2007 (EDT)

Hmm this is Hylian88 >_>..I really don't know how to use this well lol. Hmm It would be cool if I could get a page in the Smashers section but I can't figure it out >_>... --Hylian

What? A shortage of sysops? Unheard of!

What's up, Masked? Word on the street is that you're the hitman I must hire to snuff out certain problematic SmashWiki tasks. [Ssb 64 pros] should've been deleted a long time ago, and now we've got User:Zinnamon make random edits to peoples' articles and being totally ignorant of the fact that this is a community-built website with some reasonable sense of standardization and control. Take a browse through the Recent changes log and you'll find that it's a busy time for the administrative hammer. As per usual, I only wish I could do more to help than simply filling out a report. -- RJM ^Talk 13:05, October 15, 2007 (EDT)

not random i just base on other facts dont confuse me!!!it said that jiangshadow was practicing wavedash with the controller.You may say that im submitting erroneus info not random. i explained the B-Run misunderstood two.--Zinnamon 19:14, October 15, 2007 (EDT)

You are filling out erroneous information. Stop. Now. -- RJM ^Talk 19:24, October 15, 2007 (EDT)

hey, a shortage of sysops. what a coincidence, i'm looking into becoming a sysop! *hinthint* seriously, how do i go about doing that? there's a list of like 20 pages i have that are basically joke pages and need deletion immediately. FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 23:50, October 17, 2007 (EDT)

It's rare for SWF to hire appropriate staff members. I wish you luck. -- RJM ^Talk 10:52, October 18, 2007 (EDT)

I apologize for my long absence. If there's anything you'd like me to work on, get me now :) – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 21:21, November 2, 2007 (EDT)

Alas, the queue has grown beyond the abilities of one man! Godspeed soldier! --RJM ^Talk 21:23, November 2, 2007 (EDT)

What? Im sorry I shouldn't be apearing like this, but I dont get what RJM its saying. (I know that they won't understand what I just post) --Fandangox 21:25, November 2, 2007 (EDT)

Tpla

all that user has done is vandalize. i went back and reverted it all, but the kid still needs a ban. FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 14:33, October 31, 2007 (EDT)

I concur. Aside from vandalizing, the info that has been used in the vandalization was obviously used with the intent of insulting the competitive Smash community, which is an example of casual elitism. If at all possible, I say block his I.P. Address as well. A large part of the Wiki is built upon trust, and users like Tpla go against that. NeonCrusader 15:41, November 1, 2007 (EDT)

Done. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 21:24, November 2, 2007 (EDT)

not to bring it up again and all...

i'd really like to be able to contribute more to the SmashWiki. i'm on the site almost daily and often do things like cleaning up vandalism, adding information to new pages, and tagging old ones to be cleaned up or expanded. i would love to have more powers when it comes to deleting bad pages, warning vandals, and basically helping out the site. i was wondering how i could go about finding how i could get administrative powers and such. FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 23:04, November 2, 2007 (EDT)

Well, I cannot give administrative powers - although the Wiki software calls me an "administrator," I'm more similar to a moderator on Smashboards - I have some powers, but I can't give other people powers. The people to ask would be User:Kirby King or User:Gideon. Good luck! – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 09:44, November 3, 2007 (EDT)

The call for more SysOps was largely ignored in the official SmashWiki thread on the forums and I wouldn't anticipate that their talk pages are checked more often, but yes, good luck. --RJM ^Talk 11:47, November 3, 2007 (EDT)

User:Zinnamon

(contributions) basically every edit this kid has made has been reverted and every page nominated for deletion. he's trying really hard, but making a complete mess out of everything. i wouldn't say to ban him, but to temporarily take away his editing abilities until he learns to stop making up fake (and impossible) combo pages, countless erroneous edits on smash articles, and basically stops getting in everyone's way. i don't want to be harsh, but he's making things harder for everyone who has to delete his pages and revert his edits. FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 20:02, November 5, 2007 (EST)

By your suggestion I gave him a one-week block, and outlined the reasons in his talk page. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 19:15, November 7, 2007 (EST)

I surely learned masked but pay atention to my delete tags please.--Zinnamon 10:24, November 14, 2007 (EST)

OK, I will. Thanks. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 21:43, November 14, 2007 (EST)

Smashers articles

Hey you know after you banned Zinnamon he is trying to follow the rules like he never did before, but he found a rule about deleting smashers articles that haven't participated in a tournament.. its is in the rules, but that would be deleting almost half of the pages and no one really make such a big deal for that what do you think we should do? --Fandangox 21:54, November 14, 2007 (EST)

Hmm. I understand where you're coming from, but people's "vanity pages" really add nothing to this project, so it could only help to delete the clutter. I've considered putting parameters like this on Smasher pages before. So I say, his delete tags are fine, and I'll accept them. However, to prevent smashers from putting up pages for themselves, and then getting pissed when they get deleted, I'm going to make the policies about smasher pages more clear. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 22:03, November 14, 2007 (EST)

Well Its ok I understand, But really erasing all those pages.... mmm and what about the people who belong to a crew?--Fandangox 22:06, November 14, 2007 (EST)

good point. If a person's a major part of a reasonably-sized crew (at least 4 players that shows signs of playing / having played smash on a consistent basis), that means they're involved enough in their community, probably equivalent to having participated in tournaments. I'll revise the rules. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 22:08, November 14, 2007 (EST)

Ok thanks. --Fandangox 22:10, November 14, 2007 (EST)

Where are these "rules"...?? I ought to find them considering how much time I spend on smasher articles. --RJM ^Talk 22:12, November 14, 2007 (EST)

SmashWiki:Smasher Project. Very low visibility, I know, so I plan to link to it on the "editing" page. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 22:13, November 14, 2007 (EST)

Haha, right I seem to remember that page. Now if only my contributions to the forums would be considered official. :^) And incidentally, that project page isn't even complete as I had envisioned it. --RJM ^Talk 22:15, November 14, 2007 (EST)

Oh yes, that IS you that basically wrote the page ^_^. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 22:19, November 14, 2007 (EST)

Although there's no shortage, I've also had a list of SysOp tasks sitting in the queue on my user page for about six months now if you ever run out of stuff to do. --RJM ^Talk 22:21, November 14, 2007 (EST)

(dedent) Ooh, fun. I really ought to get here more often. I'm trying to juggle a million things right now, but soon! – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 22:23, November 14, 2007 (EST)

I can dream. :^) --RJM ^Talk 22:25, November 14, 2007 (EST)

You Know, every time someone post on this talk page, they always ask you for be a sysop, I mean can people just say hi? --Fandangox 22:28, November 14, 2007 (EST)

Well, they may as well. Mind you, they only gave SysOp privileges to practically one active user and they didn't even give him the power to appoint other SysOps. A lot of people are power-hungry for moderating duties on community websites, so the frequent requests are not surprising. But I personally would not even ask if I didn't believe that it would significantly improve the quality of this wiki. --RJM ^Talk 22:36, November 14, 2007 (EST)

Well I also try to make this wiki, thought not exacly profesional, better if you remember my two previous conversation with pokemonDP, but Im not asking anyone (Maybe because I need to lear a lot more, Tmasked marth can't make other people sysops, and i just dont want yet. --Fandangox 22:40, November 14, 2007 (EST)

Hi again , I've learnd :XD. I tagged for deletion my pages cause i admit they are fake. I came up for this thing:

In pages with Fighter Info (i.e. Mario (SSBM) there is a template called Character there it appears to say " Appears in"

My point is that it is fighter info and for that special game . I propose to put one template for plain Characters' pages (I.e Mario) without Availability and those special character thing and with the (appears in) including their game appearance (I.E. Mario Super mario sunshine). And for the fighter info, availability ,home stages, icon. and so on.

Fighter info:::: General Character info::::

thats my point.

Yeah, I don't like Babel Fish either. Word up brotha! *high five* --RJM ^Talk 01:27, November 16, 2007 (EST)

And Can you see if User:Xelic is User:FATLIKEMOM (Try Checking IPs. Xelic only contributed with some info on his page and FATLIKEMOM created the page. THx.Oh and try seeing if that player is pro or is known cause i searched on youtube and it appeard as the FCD Diamond 1st part with a short stapple against ChuDat.--Zinnamon 10:47, November 18, 2007 (EST)

Zinnamon is trying to delete the pages of my crew and members!

i don't see any valid reason why he did that. i feel like it's a personal attack against me because i'm constantly having to clean up after this kid. and it's not just my crew and related pages, either. he's trying to delete every smasher article of people he's never even heard of. if this keeps up, this guy needs a permanent ban. he went from "trying to help but messing up" to "adding delete tags to every page he can lay his hands on". FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 16:55, November 18, 2007 (EST)

There's a new problem, and itsn't zinnamon

Ok in short words: Blasphemy is vandalising articles, editing ridley as if he was confirmed, we have to warn him, or bann him.--Fandangox 16:05, November 19, 2007 (EST)

Ok, now there are plenty of user who are deleting all he information in crew pages or reverting it by vadalism comentaries. This are some of them: Zobadah, Blasphemy, Meqatronpwnsyou and Ornages. What we shoudl do? Semi-protect those pages?--Fandangox 19:53, November 19, 2007 (EST)

There's a new problem, and it is Zinnamon

He's on a rampage with his delete templates, editing wiki pages he doesn't understand, and deleting smasher stubs. I've reverted a few of his edits but there's a few that are still vandalized. If this continues, i think another banishment is required. I'm getting tired of fixing up his messes. : / lol. BANISHMENT. --Janitor 18:44, November 22, 2007 (EST)

IDIDITFORTHELULZ

Needs to be banned, he's vandalizing SmashWiki pages. I've reverted what was needed, however, if this continues, i think banishment is needed.--Janitor 18:44, November 24, 2007 (EST)

User:George Zimmer the Great

I'm pretty sure I can put a link to his page in the title. If not, oh well. Either way, this guy's user page has impersonation, inappropriate content (about how he's going to anally rape the reader that night and how anal rape is religious), and, while it may not have been the right action to prevent his inappropriate page on my part, has removed the delete tag I've put on his page twice. Since I think that you're usually the guy people come to about members who need to be banned, I've come here with my humble request -- get this guy, or at least his user page, off the Wiki, and please keep it that way. Asking for you to ban this guy sounds too harsh, but, still, it seems to be the only way to keep this guy from filling his user page with inappropriate content. Teamrocketspy621 21:02, December 1, 2007 (EST)

EDIT: Okay, I can't find this guy's user page anywhere. Something's not right, but I know he hasn't been banned already... Teamrocketspy621 21:03, December 1, 2007 (EST)

EDIT(2): Alright, I found his page, but for some reason, don't think I can link to it with User:George Zimmer the Great. I'm not sure. But his page is here. Teamrocketspy621 21:10, December 1, 2007 (EST)

EDIT(3): Geez, sorry I keep editing. Apparently, he added this to the page since I last saw it: "THE FUNNY THING IS I CONTRIBUTE TO THE AMAZING AWESOME WIKI SITES YET MY BIOGRAPHY KEEPS GETTING DELETED.LET MY AMAZING WIKI PAGE STAY UP AND I WILL CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR WEBSITE." This, need I say it, moron, thinks that his page is incredibly awesome, can't figure out why it keeps getting deleted on other Wikis (although that's pretty obvious), and says that he'll contribute positively if we let him keep it up. I'm really starting to dislike this guy. Teamrocketspy621 21:12, December 1, 2007 (EST)