Template talk:Infobox Tournament

Tournament series navigation

Example of what I'm trying to implement.

Not redundant at all considering it's a infobox. The point of a infobox is to give essential and very basic info about the tournament right away, while the text flesh out information. I'm trying to write the wiki text in a way that it shows this. The last edition, the tournament series main page and the next edition. OR the tournament series main page at the top, the last, current and next editions right bellow. PFFP (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2015 (EDT)

Using the Wikipedia template for the Super Bowl as an example is kind of questionable given a) we're not Wikipedia and have different standards, and b) even some of our biggest series nav templates don't come close to the number of Super Bowls there have been. On top of that, the time it would take to navigate to the nav template at the bottom of a page like Super Bowl XLIX is hardly comparable to the time needed on a page like MLG Atlanta 2004. My point is it would clutter the infobox with navigation info that doesn't really add anything in that position. Miles (talk) 14:38, 15 August 2015 (EDT)

I used the Super Bowl page just to show the style of wiki text they used, which I like for its simplicity, but I'm actually more fond of the wiki text used to showcase a musician's discography chronology in their template for album infoboxes. But I get your point, it's too much for too little. Still, like the conversation on the List of National Tournaments talk page, I'm looking for ways to improve the competitive pages, specially the tournament pages. PFFP (talk) 14:55, 15 August 2015 (EDT)

If your goal is ease of both listing tournament series and navigation across their individual events, I think nav templates and a "List of tournament series" page for the regional and larger series would be a better approach. Miles (talk) 15:05, 15 August 2015 (EDT)

Add a "p+winner" parameter?

I recently noticed that in both this template and {{Infobox Series}} P+ tournaments still have their winners classified under the "pmwinner" parameter, meaning the PM icon is displayed. I'm thinking it would be better to add a "p+winner" parameter so that the P+ icon is present in the table instead. I'm hesitant to unilaterally make the change, so I'm offering up the suggestion here first. Unfortified Castle 13:07, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

Parameter is now visible in the Usage section, and it's been matched with one in the Infobox Tournament Series template as well. Unfortified Castle 20:02, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

Tournament tier parameter

As suggested by Stuart98 on Discord, there should probably be a parameter listing the tier score of a tournament (S, A, B, C etc.) and the season for which it was evaluated (i.e. Fall 2019 PGRU). --Rdrfc (talk) 06:33, January 26, 2022 (EST)

The only thing I don't really like about this is the fact that it would only really apply to Smash 4 (v3-PGR 100) and Ultimate. (Brawl technically has tiers too, but those are only revealed after a ranking period is over, and those generally last 2 years... probably 3+ years for the current ranking period.) PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 07:01, January 26, 2022 (EST)

Well, Brawl's tiers being retroactively applied is not a reason to not eventually list them in the infobox. As for Melee and 64, it would not be used now, but nothing really prevents the panelists for those games' rankings to adopt a tournament score system in the future. --Rdrfc (talk) 16:54, February 3, 2022 (EST)

I support this. --Meester Tweester (talk) 18:26, February 3, 2022 (EST)

Tournament tier parameter attempt 2

This discussion is in regards to a proposed change on SmashWiki. The discussion must first meet with a consensus before it is implemented.

Reopening this due to a lack of conversation, though with a slightly different proposal. I believe having a parameter that shows the tiering of the event will be very useful, not to mention make the introduction sound less awkward since we usually only discuss a event's status there. However, I do not think we should be using the tier score from tournament tiering systems, 1) because this will only apply to 2 games; 2) the tiering will be inconsistent between the rankings (eg PGRU vs OrionRank vs LumiRank); and 3) SmashWiki does not always align with TTS's tiers. As such, I propose we use the system we currently use on the wiki: regional/superregional/major/supermajor. That way, we can also link the major and supermajor pages to their respective game's major page instead of redirecting to a simple major page for tournaments that have more than one event tiered as a major. ZeusDeeGoose has made a rough draft as to what this would look like, and Liquipedia also does something similar. Any suggestions will also be appreciated. CookiesCreme 16:18, September 17, 2025 (EDT)

Support as the guy who made the example. --Zeus (t • c) 16:26, September 17, 2025 (EDT)

A couple thoughts. I like the idea of adding this to the infobox. However, I believe we need to also need to add parameters for the notable global tier systems. (Lumirank, PGR, OrionRank, etc). As a wiki, I believe it's important for us to provide context and information to the reader. And by including them we are including other respected sources tiering of these events. This is not us agreeing with the tiers but providing information from notable sources, that makes it easier for the reader to navigate and understand the events importance for the global rankings. As of right now, the reader would instead have to go to each ranking and dig through it to find the relevant tier, which is very cumbersome and not friendly to the reader.

Tournament infoboxes also tend to be pretty light on information currently, so I think this would be pretty useful without making the infoboxes cluttered.

For rankings that overlap, I suggest we organize them by game and by either by ranking system or we treat it the same way we do with tournament winners when there are singles and doubles results. Wiifitkid (talk) 14:10, September 23, 2025 (EDT)

I can definitely see the value in adding tiering info to the infobox instead of having to read through the top sentence to see what it was ranked as, especially since we as SmashWiki can differ from the TTS tiered systems. I just have some small things to ask about/suggest. I think the ranking used to determine the event tier from the TTS systems should be indicated in the infobox. How this would look, I'm not sure, but making sure the reader is aware of what system is being used would help readers understand what method is being used. Definitely agree that both the TTS system and SmashWiki tier should be listed in that order, as well as separated by game, so the mockup is good in that regard.

Sidenote, since it's come up in a lot of tweets and Reddit posts, I think we should create a dedicated page to talk about disputed majors so that we can directly link that instead of the section on the major page. CanadianCrayon (talk) 11:14, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

In regards to adding global PR TTS's, I have been open on being opposed to the idea because I still think it could dilute/devalue the wiki's definition; however, I am willing to compromise on it if there's a good layout for it and we decide what rankings we should be using. I very much want to use one ranking only, with an exception for the weird period in 2022. The possibility of a retro ranking/LumiRank 2019-2022 that retiers past events using the LumiRank algorithm should also be considered. CookiesCreme 14:13, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

Support --Meester Tweester (talk) 04:18, September 28, 2025 (EDT)

I'm with Wiifitkid and CanadianCrayon on this one. Yo'ster (talk) 20:54, October 1, 2025 (EDT)

Basing off ZeusDeeGoose's draft, I've drafted up a rough idea that includes global PR TTSs. CookiesCreme 17:28, October 20, 2025 (EDT)

Coming back to this, I do think I will add my Support behind this. I like how the mockup with the global PR TTSs looks, and I do think that information about the tournament does need to be in the infobox instead of just always going in the text at the top. Having the SmashWiki tiering first is definitely a requirement though. Sidenote to the sidenote, I might make a page draft for a disputed major page to gauge interest since I think a main hubpage for all games with disputed majors would be helpful. Canadian (t / c) 13:36, November 1, 2025 (EDT)

Bump. CookiesCreme 14:28, November 8, 2025 (EST)