Template talk:Disambig2

"Not to be confused with..."

Several pages currently have a disclaimer at the top of the page reading:

Not to be confused with [[X]], {{{descriptor of variation from X}}}.

There is currently no template used for such disclaimers. Variants of {{disambig2}} have been created in the past, including for and redirect. What should be the course of action for Not to be confused with...?

Possible solutions include:

• Replacing the Not to be confused with... cases with {{disambig2}} or {{for}}.
• Creating a new variant of {{disambig2}}, perhaps named {{confused}}, to deal with the cases.

Using pre-existing templates may provide additional clarity, but may also appear redundant in some cases. I'd appreciate the community's feedback on this issue before any action is taken. DarkFox01Andross won't have his way with me. 20:27, May 3, 2019 (EDT)

I don't see why not, but I'm not the best at writing templates. Also, I feel like this is best placed here. SugarCookie 420 20:41, May 3, 2019 (EDT)

Right on. I'll take the discussion there. DarkFox01This Guy 21:17, May 4, 2019 EDT)

Proposal to replace {{disambig2|the hitbox visualization in ''Super Smash Bros. X''|the move itself|Move name}} with a new template

It would be a lot easier to add the "This article is about the hitbox visualization in Super Smash Bros. X. For the move itself, see [Special move name]." blurb at the top of every special move page for every game if you could use a template such as {{hitboxviz|SSBU=y|Shield Breaker}} to add the blurb to every special (and applicable normal) game-specific move page. I was adding the blurb to the specials that were lacking it, but realized it was going to be a lot more work than my proposal and a massive pain to change if/when I created the new template. Mariogeek2 (talk) 19:46, June 16, 2025 (EDT)

Thread bump, it's been a week. To be clear, my suggestion isn't set in stone. It doesn't have to be named HitboxViz; if anybody has any suggestions for what it should be named (and how it should be formatted), please say so in this talk page. One glaring change I'd make to my original suggestion would be to replace "SSBU=y" with "g=SSBU", to be more in line with "MvSubNavFighterName".

Last thread bump - if I don't hear anything w/in a week, I'll take that as tacit approval. Mariogeek2 (talk) 18:54, July 30, 2025 (EDT)

A quick thing, "no response" should normally not be interpreted as a "tacit approval".

As for your proposal, I don't really see much of a point to it if it just serves to be a more specific template than "disambig2". As in, to me it would be more work having to change all of the disambig2's to the new template and then having to add it to the pages that were missing it, rather than just leaving the present template alone and only having to add it to the pages that are missing it. CookiesCreme 20:10, July 30, 2025 (EDT)

To address the "no response" thing, I only resorted to that after a month and a half of no replies + two thread bumps.

To be clear, if this new template were to be approved, I would change all the move pages, so it wouldn't be any extra work on the part of the admins, although I would focus on adding the template to move pages currently missing them first, rather than replacing the existing disambig2's. However, the entire process of adding + replacing would probably take me a couple of months, so I don't know how much that matters. I got this idea one day when I was adding the disambig2's to the pages missing them and had the thought "Man, filling out these disambig2 fields is taking so long, I wish there was a quicker way to do this.", then smacked my forehead because I realized that there is a way to do it faster: Templates! That's why they exist! (at least, one of the reasons). I did some counting, and there's at least 69 move pages missing the obligatory disambig2 at the top! And I stopped counting after the first 24 fighters in Ultimate (although this also included yet-to-be-created move pages). If I were to tally up every single move page missing the disambig2 at the top, it would easily be 100+; that's not even taking into account the inevitable SSB6 reveal, and all the move pages that'll have to be created for those fighters. Mariogeek2 (talk) 01:08, July 31, 2025 (EDT)

We regardless make decisions on this wiki based on consensus. Even if no one strictly publicizes their opposition, there's no consensus with no support either.

Having said that, I too have to call into question the necessity of your proposal. What exactly would this accomplish that the regular template does not, besides "making things easier to type out"? Aidan the Gamer 01:15, July 31, 2025 (EDT)

The way I see it, there are 4 principle benefits:

• Faster to type out (self-explanatory, moving on)
• More semantically clear - Disambig2 communicates very little IMO to the page editor; a new, more explicitly named template communicates exactly what's it about.
• Less error prone - Typing out the same things over and over again (in this case, the hitbox visualization in ''[[Super Smash Bros. X]]'' and the move itself) is a great way to misspell something or introduce some other error. The greater amount of redundancy you can trim, the less likely you are to make these mistakes.
• Better Future-proofing - In the event that the blurb's wording is decided to be changed one day (such as changing hitbox visualization to technical details), it's going to be leagues faster to change it if we use a new template; if we keep using disambig2, that means we'd have to update every single page that uses the template in that manner. Mariogeek2 (talk) 02:05, July 31, 2025 (EDT)

• Copy-pasting is helpful.
• The actual name of the template could potentially use an update, but that's not all too specific to this discussion in particular.
• Again, copy-pasting is helpful. Are you manually typing out "{{disambig2|the hitbox visualization in ''Super Smash Bros. X''|the move itself|Move name}}" each time?
• We have two users, both in administrative positions, who run bots that make mass-editing that much easier.

Aidan the Gamer 10:17, July 31, 2025 (EDT)

I know about copy/pasting, but speaking from my personal experience, I find it more tedious & slower copying the template and moving the cursor with the mouse or Ctrl + back arrow key to change the game & special move to the appropriate one, rather than typing it out (although I'm biased in this regard as my typing speed is above average). Also, it may not be your personal experience, but I've found copy/paste to be error prone as well; maybe not as much as typing it out by hand, but it still happens. As for the bots, I've got nothing to add.

All I'm trying to do with this template is save myself (and any other future editors) time from having to type or copy/paste the entire disambig2 template, when the only parts of it that change are the game suffix and special move name. I wouldn't have bothered with the proposal if there were a handful of pages missing it, but there are a lot (in the triple digits) of move pages missing it. But still, if you think the time savings are not worth it, then that's your call and I won't argue. Mariogeek2 (talk) 12:22, July 31, 2025 (EDT)

And I'm trying to say that there are already efficient ways of getting work done that don't involve manually typing out the entire template each time. Double-clicking on a word, holding Shift, and clicking at the end of whatever section you want to copy (potentially even just on the final word itself, though this may be OS-dependent, I'm not sure) is an incredibly fast copy-paste method, and I still fail to see what this would accomplish that cannot already be accomplished. Aidan the Gamer 12:41, July 31, 2025 (EDT)

If you're wondering why I've taken so long to reply, it's partly because I've been gathering my thoughts and considering how best to clearly communicate them, and partly because I've had a cold. Also, this'll probably be my last post on the topic (although I can't say with 100% certainty it will be).

First, let me say that I've changed my mind and I do have something to add about the bots: while yes, they may make changing every single template on every single move page a breeze, do we really want for the change logs and "Recent changes" page to be bloated to that degree? Just doing the quick math, 4 special moves for each fighter * 212 fighters (26 from Melee, 39 from Brawl, 58 from Sm4sh, and 89 from Ultimate) = 848 individual move pages, and that's even before taking into account 64's special moves, non-special attacks that will have the template (Knee Smash, Lightning Kick, Mario Tornado, etc...), and command-input-only moves.

Onto the meat of my edit, let me state that copy+paste is not my issue when it comes to adding the templates to the pages; I know how to do it, and I can do it quickly (in fact, I did when I was adding the template to the move pages before I stopped when I got the idea for the new template), but that's not the bottleneck: changing the fields is. As I've mentioned previously, to change the move's name and game suffix, you have two options to move the cursor: use your mouse, or back up after pasting using Ctrl ← or just ← on the keyboard. Both of these throw off my flow when making the edits, which I'll readily admit could just be a me problem; it's just my gut feeling that it would be helpful to others as well (plus, being able to shave off 20-40% of the time [by my own flawed estimates] it takes for me to add the templates to the move pages would be appreciated). Also, to address the point about "what this would accomplish that cannot already be accomplished", couldn't that be argued for every template? For example, instead of using Disambig2, you could just type out ''This article is about the hitbox visualization in [[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]. For the move itself, see [[Super Jump Punch]]'', or manually create a table instead of using Langtable. Yes, you can accomplish everything with Disambig2 you could theoretically accomplish with my new template, but that doesn't mean we should. Ultimately, all templates are a convenience tool; it's my argument that the time savings wouldn't be a lot for each page edit, but rather the sheer volume of edits would make up for it.

Lastly, let me reiterate that I can/would be solely responsible for this if it gets approved; I can make the template, I can add it to the move pages missing it, and I can replace the pre-existing Disambig2's on move pages with the new template, with no work or extra responsibility on the part of the admins. Mariogeek2 (talk) 01:13, August 3, 2025 (EDT)

Firstly, the recent changes page, by default, hides bot edits, so your point isn't an actual issue. I imagine that a situation like this is exactly why that's the case.

Secondly, I again point to the fact that you can double-click on a word, hold Shift, and click to the end of whatever section you want to highlight to replace the text just fine—that includes in the middle of a collection of text. This template is specifically designed to hardcode the text that no one wants to repeatedly type out, and thus making what actually should go in the disclaimer text that much easier to change. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I do firmly believe this is a you thing—if you're on a keyboard and mouse, then I do feel for you, I've gotten extremely used to my Mac's trackpad and it does make more intricate and precise mousing that much easier to do than with my PC's mouse, but in my humble opinion, sometimes you have to suck it up a little.

I think you kind of shoot yourself in the foot with your argument, because if, as you yourself point out, we can do everything with this existing template, then why do we need another one? Aidan the Gamer 03:05, August 3, 2025 (EDT)