Talk:Unused content (SSBB)

snd_bgm_A12_MORINOKINOKO is ACTUALLY SMRPG's Forest Maze. Here is the removed track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzKN3sjqZ2w —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.66.168 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 30 October 2013 (EDT)

We need more proof than just a video containing music that could have been taken from anywhere. Toomai Glittershine The Celeritous 17:01, 30 October 2013 (EDT)

W32?

I found another empty song file in the game, with the title "snd_bgm_W32_DX81". Maybe I'm seeing things, but I think it deserves a mention on this page. However, I don't know that to write for "song identity theories". --EndGenuity (talk) 14:31, 26 April 2014 (EDT)

Dixie Kong in Brawl

According to this, Sakurai outright stated in Famitsu that Dixie was intended to be teamed with Diddy Kong in a manner similar to Zelda/Sheik, before being cut due to technical issues. However, the OP doesn't provide any links to sources (and the OP hasn't been on since 2008, so it's not feasible to ask the OP himself for it). As such, can anyone here verify if Sakurai did indeed state this on Famitsu and provide the source? Omega Tyrant 15:09, 5 June 2014 (EDT)

From what I can tell, it seems that this has been tossed around without much backing, a la the Animal Crossing character rumours from Brawl, which also featured a quote from Sakurai. I would suggest that a note be made referencing the issue of Famitsu, but note that there is currently no verifiable way to prove that this interview occurred.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 21:12, 5 June 2014 (EDT)

Final ten seconds

It says on the page that the announcer counted the final ten seconds instead of five. But where did this information come from? --GarfLarf 10:58, 7 February 2019 (EST)

"pra-mai" or "pramai"?

Just out of curiosity, is the mysterious character "pra-mai" labeled with a dash as it is on this page in the files? Because, from the website I'm looking at that labels the instance slots of each fighter (here: http://opensa.dantarion.com/wiki/Instance_Slots) lists it as "pramai", with no dash. I would just like to know if there is any source for whether or not the dash one appears in the game's files before I make any changes. Xm0c (talk) 23:50, September 15, 2019 (EDT)

The effect file is labelled "pra_mai"; there seems to be a discrepancy between the instance slot and the effect file, which is strangely absent for the "dr_mario" effect file and instance slot. - EndGenuity (talk) 23:57, September 15, 2019 (EDT)

SourceGaming discussed about Pra Mai and debunked a few theories that were made here.

https://youtu.be/Dwk6tbGixYA?t=464

What are your thoughts?

They seem to set some good points. Do you feel it's less Miis/Random Button and more to Plusle/Minun being scrapped for no known reason? --Ryzmat 17:40, May 20, 2021 (EDT)

I'm also thinking of adding their observation notes on to the page, unless someone here objects that, do let me know and debate about it too. --Ryzmat 23:41, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

Final reminder that I'll be including their points to the page if nobody objects here, and personally I don't think what was concluded years ago holds the cake any more.. --Ryzmat 08:56, July 19, 2021 (EDT)

No objections made in the last 2 years, i may as well go ahead with it since, so much for that final reminder.

Also, i'll make another note that some of these files are "empty placeholders", meaning whatever was planned or theorized with the Forbidden Seven doesn't get contradicted by the amount of slots left over by Project Sora and Game Arts. This is NOT the first time they did this btw, this was noticable with the early DLC param files for Smash 4 via Cloud, Corrin, and Bayonetta. If there's an oversight, please inform me here. --Ryzmat 06:58, August 27, 2023 (EDT)

I've always thought "Every Player" was a huge stretch since it doesn't follow reasonable naming conventions at all. Plusle and Minun seems to be a much more commonly accepted theory these days and lines up more with the info we have. So you have my support, at least. ~ StrawberryChan (talk) 15:11, August 27, 2023 (EDT)

I'm dropping by to express my support for "pra_mai" being Plusle and Minun, too! ShootingStar7X (talk) 15:41, August 27, 2023 (EDT)

Then it's settled. I'll add my personal revision to the page later on and you fellas can build off that.

Also, we should also clarify that the placeholder slots and the named characters have no correlation to them being actually worked on (at least according to what's left over on release). This would explain why cases like Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik and Pra_Mai aren't separate parameters like with the Ice Climbers and Zelda/Sheik. --Ryzmat 22:07, June 14, 2024 (EDT)

Chiming back in here, I think some of the "pra_mai" arguments like "Every Player" and that it was actually a random slot are bogus tbh and not really worth mentioning in the article, it makes the article feel a lot less objective. While ultimately any specific conclusion is speculative, it is just as important not to give equal weight to baseless or unlikely claims. I mostly object because "pra_mai" meaning "every player" is just straightup not true, it's not correct Japanese at all. The idea that that could mean a Random Button or Miis (who were explicitly rejected from the game prior to planning) is also evidence-less and has no basis within the series, it also doesn't make sense for either of those to be represented via fighter data. The romanization not matching exactly also isn't strictly a debunk on its own, there are plenty of romanization errors or naming oddities in game files (Mars, anyone?); they weren't meant to be seen and often they just go uncorrected out of fear fixing them will mess other things up.

While this part is speculation, it's pretty clear that all of the Forbidden 7, and the "made it in hot" characters in Brawl in general, were low-priority characters who could easily be derived from pre-existing work from Melee or other characters in the game if time permitted. Pichu is the only character from Melee with no presence or equivalent in Brawl, but Plusle and Minun would reasonably have been able to reuse his data, body type, and fighting style. There are also exactly three Pokémon trophies in Brawl that have unlock requirements, all related to Allstar Mode - Mewtwo, Pichu, and... Plusle & Minun. While it's not certain, there is generally more evidence in favour of it being them than against, and few realistic options about who else specifically it could refer to. Now, whether Toon Sheik is Tetra or an actual Toon Sheik, that's something we'll probably never know. --Flippy (talk) 20:33, September 12, 2026 (UTC)

I'm in support of cutting out the Mii/"Every Player" segment for the same reasons you explained; there's simply too weak of evidence for it being one of those cases, especially in comparison to how likely Plusle & Minun seems to be. And while there are some counter-arguments for Plusle & Minun that are worth addressing, I don't think they're nearly as detrimental to the theory's plausibility, and can be provided with their own explanations (my headcanon of sorts as to why "pra_mai" is named Like That is because it's a pun: a shortening the names "Prasle" and "Minun" in order to mimic the word "puramai"). Like you stated, there's too compelling of an argument for the slot belonging to Plusle & Minun to ignore, and too little of an argument for it being anyone else.

I'm also inclined to agree with your take on the Forbidden 7 and Forbidden't 3. It seems like everyone apart of it was either a Melee veteran/replacement that couldn't be locked into the core roster, or a newcomer that required less resources to create. I also have a theory of my own that Dixie Kong's slot was part of a scrapped second attempt to bring her onto the roster long after her initial tag-team concept got cut, given that her fighter ID comes right after Wolf and not somewhere next to Diddy. But that's speculation and mostly unrelated to the main point... --~LJorSomething 17:27, October 1, 2026 (UTC)

I agree with you completely. I fully believe Dixie was put on hold to be potentially resumed as a solo fighter but it just never happened. I also decided to factcheck the game's instance slots and I never clocked until now that "PRAMAI" is grouped with Purin (Jigglypuff) and Mewtwo. Toon Link, Toon Zelda, and Toon Sheik are all grouped together well, which implies pretty strongly that the characters being grouped by series is intentional. I think it's highly likely that PRAMAI truly is Plusle & Minun, there is very little evidence that it's anybody else, to be honest. They were also pushed very strongly by TPCI in Gen 3, they had lots of merch, promoted RSE's double battles, and were featured prominently in Destiny Deoxys and as the starter Pokemon in Ranger. It makes complete sense they would have been contenders in Brawl but cut, especially as the lack of a Gen 3 rep was quite conspicuous. I'm going to edit the page in a bit to remove "Every Player" and incorporate some of the facts we have around this and Brawl's development in general. --Flippy (talk) 18:37, October 1, 2026 (UTC)