Talk:Lucas (SSBB)

Lucas Doesn't Use Telekinetic Throws

Could someone please stop saying that Lucas uses telekinesis in his throws? Only Ness does that. Lucas uses his Rope Snake to perform grabs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.253.174.246 (talk • contribs) 22:07, 17 April 2008

You're free to edit the article to show correct information. FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 03:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

He absolutely does. Actually, you might say psychokinetic, hence the PK. The snake is only for the initial grab, but any movement afterwards is done with PSI. - Gargomon251 20:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

You're right, Gargomon251. I was just playing with Lucas in Brawl and little PSI sparks appeared over his head when he performed a throw. Sorry for the misunderstanding. - GalaxiaD, 3:24 PM, April 18, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.253.174.246 (talk • contribs) 20:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

PK Stick!

Is Lucas's forward smash really called the PK stick? I doubt it. Don't want to change it, though, since I've never played Mother. Supportmage 23:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't know what it's called, but PK Stick sounds a little lame. Since Ness' forward smash is just called a bat, I would just call Lucas' forward smash a tree branch. - GalaxiaD 20:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I concur. Dorsha 02:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Lucas uses several sticks in his game (usually upgradad by buying them) for raising the offense of his stantard attacks. One of them (the third one that's available) is the Better Stick. I've heard many people call his fsmash in Brawl "Better Stick" for unknown reasons, so I'm gonna add it as a title. Malefix (talk) 13:53, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Damage Percentage

Is it neccessary to add the Damage% on the list of moves section? If so, I'll do it. ItemHazard (talk) 16:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC) ItemHazard

Lucas! Lucas! Lucas!

Lucas rocks! LucasMainer

You're only allowed to discuss how you can edit this article, not on your opinions on things. Doc King

P.S. no one cares :P

Lucas' Uair

Lucas does NOT use PSI for his Uair! A lot of people have argued that he does, but he doesn't! It's obvious; there are no PSI electric noises; just him swinging his huge head up to meet another foe! People say that since he seems to move upwards a bit, that he utilizes PSI - but that's wrong! He only moves up after his first jump, and that's normal with all characters using Uairs after their first jump! After both jumps, he doesn't "teleport" up - THERE IS NO PSI! Reptiliusofpeace (talk) 15:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes there is, when he uses it, you can see a PSI spark above him. Try hitting somebody with the Spark and not Lucas' head. Smorekingxg456 (talk) 23:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC) PS, Sign your posts/comments

I HAVE hit with his spark! Its not PSI! If people argue that a flash or spark is PSI, then his side smash is a PSI attack too. If you pay attention, you'll see a similar spark before Lucas launches his branch. There is no electricity, no hexagons, and no special sound (and there is no otherworldly effect like his specials). Logically, there is PSI involved. Reptiliusofpeace (talk) 15:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

This would be a better arguement if I actually knew who I was arguing with(four tides, that's all it takes!) But sure, I really don't care about one small detail. I'll somebody else get involved in an edit with you.(Reptilius?) Smorekingxg456 (talk) 01:26, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Theres no PSI its just air showing his sweetspot. ( I'm not the same guy who started this) - Hatake91 (talk) 01:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Anyone who thought that it was PSI is an idiot. Does it sound like energy like when hit with his other aerials? Does it have long hitstun (a characteristic of many electric attacks)? No, it's just a thwack and the opponent goes flying instantly. Many characters have these "sparks" when they use some attacks; Ike's and Marth's Dair for example. They're not PSI unless you see hexagons (or circles in Ness' case). 202.156.13.238 12:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, sorry, forgot to sign my posts. Anyway, I brought up this section. I agree with you Hatake91. I think the flash is a sweetspot. It seemed to knock back farther than his (big) head. It seems like PSI at first, but come on! He headbutts the air; many players do that. That attack seems normal and has no PSI properties. Reptiliusofpeace (talk) 15:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

NEW FORMAT!

Just some filling in, maybe some re-wording, and it's all good. YESH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1ONEONEONEONEONEONE!!!!!11! But, anyways, its in the new format, feel free to edit, but don't put it in the old format.SmoreKingxg456BOO! 23:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Eddie

Lucas does his B moves with an American accent. Does this have anything to do with a character from Fisher-Price's Little People universe who also speaks with an American accent and is a dead ringer for Lucas? --Tepples (talk) 04:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

This is akin to the R.O.B. = Wall-E nonsense. Just because two things look similar doesn't mean they have the slightest thing to do with each other. Miles (talk - contribs) 04:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Rhythm pummel

The game itself, MOTHER 3, has a rhythm system in it... basically, when you press the A button to the rhythm of the battle music, you'll start scoring additional hits up to a 16 hit combo.

The description of Lucas's pummel here did remind me of this and they could be related.

Hyrule Jump

How does Lucas can complete the reverse Hyrule jump without using his Up B? I can't even complete it with Up B.114.245.221.153 04:01, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Most likely with a Zap Jump. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 04:13, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Lucas' vs Lucas's

Both are used more than once in the article. I've been told that they're both correct, but we shouldn't use both on the same page. Thoughts? --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 16:55, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

I say we go with Lucas'.L33tSilvie (talk) 18:09, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

Lucas' is correct while Lucas's is somewhat correct, but waste bytes and is generally considered improper when using formal writing.--MegaTron1XD 18:13, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

Lucas is not plural, ergo the correct possessive form is Lucas's. I've gone through this enough times with my name, where the possessive form is Miles's. Miles (talk) 22:08, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

Lucas' Up Tilt

When I was writing Lucas frame data (you may notice that I wasn´t log in, for some reason, when i started editing the page, I was log in, but when I finishing, my username didn´t appear), I observate that it says that Lucas' Up tilt can meteor smash at later frames but theres nothing in the meteor smash page. Somebody just forgot to add it or it isn´t a meteor smash at all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zero (talk • contribs) 07:59, 20 December 2010 (EST)

First, you have to sign with ~~~~ (logged in or not). Second, there is no meteor smash in Lucas's up tilt (or anything resembling one). Toomai Glittershine The Eggster 09:38, 29 December 2010 (EST)

Lucas' Down Smash

Sometimes I play around with Lucas, and I've noticed that if the opponent is hit by the first hit of the down smash close to Lucas, the first hit will connect to the second. Is this character specific? Should this be in the down smash portion of his moveset description? I want to know. ViciousViridian (talk) 22:32, 22 February 2014 (EST)

This is just the first hit not hitting the character away far enough before the next hit lands, and it's already noted that the subsequently blows can land. Whether it happens or not depends on a huge variety of factors that isn't percent and character specific, such as the character's size and weight (heavier and larger characters are obviously more susceptible), the surrounding stage area (a wall or slope can keep the opponent from flying away after the first hit, and a moving/slippery platform/stage may move Lucas while using the move, keeping the opponent from flying away too far), the opponent's SDI, knockback/size modifiers, the move's staleness, etc. So yeah, it isn't something you can put in a simple chart or say "it multi-hits on X character at Y damage", and generally, there is no real percent on any character that the second hit will reliably land in succession after a landed first hit. Omega Tyrant 22:55, 22 February 2014 (EST)

Never thought about that. Thanks for the clarification. VICIOUS VIRIDIAN!!!!!! (talk) 12:25, 23 February 2014 (EST)

Lucas was cut but.....

Lucas

You know maybe he will come back as DLC like "Mewtwo" maybe....

EnderNan 12:40, 6 December 2014 (EST)EnderNanEnderNan 12:40, 6 December 2014 (EST)

Please read SW:TALK. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 12:41, 6 December 2014 (EST)

Is this false trivia

Lucas, himself is not a clone at all, but is more of a Semi-clone than that, but I found this:

Lucas is the first clone to be a starter character.

Can this be removed? Smugsamodas (talk) 13:17, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

While yes, it is false to call him a clone, he's also the first semi-clone to be a starter character. So I just rephrased it. Thanks for pointing it out! ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 13:20, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

"Sakurai didn't know Mother 3 would be unlocalized"

posting here for posterity too, but I can't find an actual source for this beyond Sourcegaming's tweet. I can't find where they got the information from. if anyone actually has a source for it I'd love to see it, but for now I'm leaning towards this being a rumour. --Flippy (talk) 18:06, October 2, 2026 (UTC)

I managed to dig a little and miraculously found some of Sakurai's survey-style Q&As from the OG Dojo were archived. This was the source for a lot of the early speculation tidbits for Brawl that have survived via word of mouth to this day, so it was great and a little surreal to see the origins again. SamuraiPanda's translation from SmashBoards, followed by the raw text:

• #171-180: In this update, Sakurai basically just says that since Smash Bros is popular throughout the world, he can't just use characters that are only popular in Japan. But then he brings up that it worked for the Fire Emblem characters. Once, a black man (yes, he said that) thanked Sakurai for creating Roy just for him.
• そう、スマブラは世界で発売されます。当たり前のようだけど、日本だけで発売されているキャラクターは取り上げにくいということでもあり。だけど、当時日本でしか発売していなかった『ファイアーエムブレム』のキャラをして、黒人さんに「俺のためにRoyを作ってくれてありがとうよHahaha(意訳)」とか言われたりするから、フシギ。

My own rough interpretation is that this is basically correct. (Including the eyebrow-raising last part.) It's Sakurai noting, in his typical wry fashion, that while characters being Japan-exclusive is a challenge for a worldwide product, he found it curious that Fire Emblem characters were popular outside Japan despite their games being unknown and unsold. So contextually, he acknowledged that it's not hard-and-fast and that exceptions have happened. From what I can tell a lot of broken telephone came from this (as do most "Sakurai rules"). While I have seen Sakurai acknowledge that Mother 3 was only released in Japan when discussing Lucas, I've never seen him express that as specifically having been an actual obstacle to his inclusion any time he's discussed him for Brawl or 4. There is the famous "he would've replaced Ness in Melee if Earthbound 64 wasn't cancelled" which is true (never forget "up until now"), and lots of fan inferences about why he was initially cut from 4. It IS known that Mother 3 was genuinely considered for localization before the plans fell through, and that the decision likely had not yet been made at the time Brawl started development. But the specific conclusion that Sakurai would not have added Lucas if he knew the game wouldn't be localized, I cannot find a single source for even still. For now I think this may be either a speculative conclusion from all this info, or potentially a misremembering/conflation of official statements. Sourcegaming's own site has no translated articles or web pages that reference the info directly either. On the off-chance anyone from the site sees this and is able to chime in, I would love that. --Flippy (talk) 11:26, October 3, 2026 (UTC)

Huge thank you to Speed Weed for tracking this down with help from their Japanese friend. The April 2008 issue of Nintendo Dream (lower left of this page) is the source of this. Awaiting a better and fuller translation, but per my rough interpretation of it, as well as pre-existing documentation on Japanese wikis, it is true that Sakurai was not aware Mother 3 wasn't going to be localized at the time he chose Lucas for Brawl. However, the fuller picture is actually that Lucas was again first considered to replace Ness completely, just like in Melee. After learning the game would not be released overseas, Sakurai initially became concerned about how this might implicate Lucas's inclusion, but ultimately decided to feature both him and Ness in the game. So "he would not have included Lucas at all if he had known" remains as far as I can tell, an inference - the course of events appears to be that despite some initial option-weighing, Lucas was ultimately proceeded with in spite of the knowledge Mother 3 would only release in Japan. Hugely meaningful to see some receipts and hopefully help sort this all out. --Flippy (talk) 02:56, October 22, 2026 (UTC)