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Well since Olimar was revealed before the Pikmin 3 launch, think we might have another character reveal the same way? I mean, we've got Sonic Lost World launching in October with the 2014 Winter Games just a month after it. So I imagine Sonic could be revealed around that time. Diddy Kong for Tropical Freeze as well maybe. Magiciandude (talk) 19:00, 2 August 2013 (EDT)

I'm not sure the whole "reveal a character for Smash to promote a new release" thing will be a regular occurrence; they didn't usually do that for Brawl. That being said, I expect to see an FE character reveal in the near future as that is the biggest series not to get a character yet. If we're going with what you said as well, X and Y are a couple months away and a Pokémon character would be perfect (Mewthree, anyone?) DoctorPain99 19:12, 2 August 2013 (EDT)

If they do a similar "Launch & reveal", I imagine Wind Waker HD & Toon Link.--HavocReaper48 01:22, 3 August 2013 (EDT)

Don't Count on it. In the trailer he was seen as an unplayable character on the spirit tracks stage. I wouldn't expect him.TheAtomicFire 22:34, 3 August 2013 (EDT)

Falco, Wolf, and C. Falcon are also background characters in their stages, but that doesn't stop them from being playable. Besides, Toon Link from SSBB is based on Wind Waker, which is a different character from Spirit Tracks. Magiciandude (talk) 13:26, 4 August 2013 (EDT)

Good point.TheAtomicFire 20:50, 4 August 2013 (EDT)

Regarding Toon Link, I initially thought he was a lock, due to the "Toon series" of Zelda games still going on after Brawl, and Toon Link having good amount of popularity. Though when thinking about it farther, I do think he's one of the most at risk, due to there being a sizeable amount of people complaining about there being "two Links", and that while definitely not a full clone, he's still the most cloned character in Brawl. And with the massive decloning they did in Brawl after the clone complaints in Melee, and people still bitching about there being "too many clones in Brawl" (thus they will continue to reduce clonage), combined with the aforementioned "two Links" issue, I think Toon Link will be one of the first characters they go to when they have to cut someone. Omega Tyrant 22:07, 4 August 2013 (EDT)

I'm expecting one character revealed per month along with a stage or two each month. Since Olimar's reveal to coincide with Pikmin 3's Japan release, I'm expecting some characters to be revealed with their game releases as well. Say, Wonder Red with The Wonderful 101, Mewtwo with Pokemon X & Y, and Sonic with Sonic Lost Worlds. --ﾚ∆ㄅ 16:08, 5 August 2013 (EDT)

Heh, I didn't think they'd show off Luigi so soon. And here I thought they wouldn't show any of unlockable characters from the past Smash Bros. I guess it wouldn't be much of a stretch to announce Toon Link when WW HD draws near. Then again, Luigi could've been just the exception. Magiciandude (talk) 12:57, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

What if instead of including Toon Link or Young Link, they included Retro Link from A Link Between Worlds? ChuckNorris 08:57, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

I expect Girahim and Magnus, and Bowser Jr. seems likly. NutsBazooka (talk) 14:01, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

I'm not expecting Ghirahim, he was just a one-shot. I dunno if there's gonna be a second KI character, and if there is, it's probably Palutena or Hades. I'm unsure about Bowser jr but I do think he is the most likely new Mario character if we get one. Scr7 15:36, 18 August 2013 (EDT)

Yeah Ghirahim is the new Zant in terms of character requests. Magiciandude (talk) 15:41, 19 August 2013 (EDT)

Well what do you know. Toon Link is in after all, right when I kind of predicted that he'd be reveal near WW HD's release date (it's out only in downloads). I'm guess next month's reveal will go to a Pokemon character and/or another veteran character that doesn't have any upcoming games. Maybe Mewtwo will be revealed? I expect Sonic to shown either late October or sometime in November to promote Lost World and/or the new Olympic Games. Also, isn't it a bit odd how they revealed Luigi and Toon Link even though they were unlockables in the last game? I wonder if they're doing away with unlockable characters or just having most veterans starter characters this time around. Magiciandude (talk) 07:53, 26 September 2013 (EDT)

Or Sakurai figured there's no point in trying to hide the unlockable characters this time around, so hey might as well show them to help promote. Or Toon Link and Luigi won't be unlockable this time. I'm pretty certain they wouldn't do away with unlockable characters, since it's been a tradition in every game and unlocking everyone is something a lot of players look forward to.

Regarding Toon Link, hopefully his confirmation is an indication that they're hardly cutting anyone, and that a PT + ICs cut will be enough. Omega Tyrant 08:15, 26 September 2013 (EDT)

Also, regarding next reveal, I think it would be either Lucario or Mewtwo (or both?) to help promote X and Y. Omega Tyrant 08:18, 26 September 2013 (EDT)

Yeah you're probably right about. I guess that also means your journal about characters getting cut spot on again. Well maybe. And yes, I'd like to see both Mewtwo and Lucario as well. The SSB4 boards at GameFAQs are having at meltdown, it's ridiculous. I am not one for cuts, but Snake is the least deserving character to come back seeing as how severly lacking the MGS games are on Nintendo systems, plus neither upcoming MGS game is coming out for the Wii U. Magiciandude (talk) 00:57, 27 September 2013 (EDT)

Really, the only characters deserving of a cut are the PT (for being a huge waste of space that can't be a decent character and the fact you could replace him with three viable solo characters; who would rather have PT over Mewtwo and two other characters of their choice?), and the ICs (for being perhaps the most unpopular and definitely the least relevant character on the roster, as well as being a character whose "2 in 1" gimmick causes a ton of glitches and other gameplay issues). I would put Snake way over them in "deservedness". Omega Tyrant 01:32, 3 October 2013 (EDT)

Yes, I was thinking PT could face being cut due to his scrappy mechanic. The IC are in danger because of the issues Sakurai is having with the 3DS version. My main gripe with Snake has to do with the fact that neither of the upcoming Metal Gear games are coming out for the Wii U. Not only that, but the only Metal Gear that came out for a Nintendo system since Brawl's release was a MGS3 port for the 3DS while the other systems got a HD collection. Then again, Sakurai and Kojima are buddies, so who knows? Magiciandude (talk) 05:04, 3 October 2013 (EDT)

Well I have some bad news for you then. Awesome Cardinal 2000 16:13, 3 October 2013 (EDT)

Yes I know about that. Hence why I mentioned the ICs being in the danger zone of being cut right now. Magiciandude (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2013 (EDT)

Which also means that Sakurai wants to put them in the game. And considering how he values character uniqueness, I think the ICs qualify as a unique fighter and will probably return. Awesome Cardinal2000 18:59, 3 October 2013 (EDT)

Nearly everyone will get tested with in development and by all account he "wants" everyone to return, this means nothing. What will happen though is each character has a certain priority, and when a cut has to be made, those at the bottom will get axed first (hence Mewtwo not returning in Brawl). Now with what was said already (relatively unpopular and significant irrelevance, gameplay issues, and now significant issues in just making them work), the ICs are definitely a lower priory character and are thus at serious risk for a cut. Omega Tyrant 02:19, 4 October 2013 (EDT)

Called it! I knew Sonic would be revealed either this month or next month! Now if only someone could ask Roger Craig Smith on his Twitter account to confirm whether he's voice Sonic for SSB4. Magiciandude (talk) 20:26, 1 October 2013 (EDT)

I'm gonna call Mewtwo the next one. We've had nothing but veterans after Day 1, Mewtwo would be slightly more refreshing than your average veteran. The other likely XY celebration would be Pokémon Trainer, but I'm still going for Mewtwo, now we know unlockability probably means nothing. Toast ltimatum 21:34, 1 October 2013 (EDT)

Yeah, I'm getting that feeling too (like I said above). Sakurai already he's considering Mewtwo for SSB4. Of the cut characters, Mewtwo was obviously quite controversial given he was the only non-clone character to be cut. Magiciandude (talk) 22:00, 1 October 2013 (EDT)

Well that isn't bad news for me since I'd like to see them return. Magiciandude (talk) 22:19, 3 October 2013 (EDT)

I wonder when the next character will be announced. No Pokémon got confirmed to celebrate X and Y (except Xerneas, who is not confirmed to be playable). Who do you think would be likely to be revealed in November? SeanWheeler (talk) 21:12, 6 November 2013 (EST)

I still expect a Pokemon really soon, as beside XY, it's Nintendo's biggest series and they still only have one character confirmed for it. Omega Tyrant 10:16, 7 November 2013 (EST)

Hmm...we have to think. Weren't there TWO characters announced during the same month, previously? So, in a sense, Marth may not be the only "New Challenger" during November. So, looking at this, we may have 6 possible candidates from the Zelda series; Zelda, Ganondorf, Ghirahim, Vaati, Dark Link or even Yuga. But I don't know if they will be in, but we got to wait and see. Requiem fo Ice (talk) 22:36, 9 November 2013 (EST)

I don't know about Ghirahim, Vaati, or Yuga although Dark Link might make it as a clone of Link. Zelda is sure to come and Ganondorf is also likely. FireMario1534 (talk) 20:46, 14 November 2013 (EST)

Xerneas doesn't make much sense as a stage hazard beause he is in a 3DS only game but was shown to appear in the Wii U version.NutsBazooka (talk) 03:58, 10 November 2013 (EST)

With the announcement of Rosalina being playable in 3D World, I'm thinking she could get a Smash 4 confirmation for that game's release. JamesHeart 21:00, 13 November 2013 (EST)

I do agree. Rosalina will be the newest playable mainstream Mario character to appear in a major title. She has a much bigger chance to appear in Sm4sh now. Requiem of Ice (talk) 17:57, 14 November 2013 (EST)

I also have to agree with you that Rosalina is a pretty solid choice for being playable as well. Being a important character in Mario Galaxy, she seems notable to the main series. Dots (talk) The N64 18:05, 14 November 2013 (EST)

She is also a female character, which is another reason Sakurai may add her. Requiem of Ice (talk) 20:09, 14 November 2013 (EST)

I hope Meta Knight comes back. But if he is, I really hope they nerf him because he's just plain broken in SSBB. Also, Bowser Jr. might be a possible candidate. His Final Smash would be something related to paint or something like that. And I agree with the Rosalina part. She definetely has shot of making it. FireMario1534 (talk) 20:52, 14 November 2013 (EST)

On the Meta Knight thing; no, just...no. He's most likely going to get cut more than anything; and IMO, the strategies and techniques used with him are just too predictable. And on Bowser Jr., he's definitely not going to be playable. He may be an Assist Trophy, but nothing more.Requiem of Ice (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2013 (EST)

Why would Meta Knight be cut? They'll just nerf him just like Fox in Brawl. Magiciandude (talk) 18:40, 15 November 2013 (EST)

Meta Knight is extremely likely to come back. He's also extremely likely to be nerfed, as Magiciandude said. And I'd say Bowser Jr. has a chance to be playable. Scr7(talk · contribs) 03:53, 16 November 2013 (EST)

Welp, we got Rosalina and Zelda was announced on the release date of Link Between Worlds in Japan. I guess that leaves a DK character for Tropical Freeze. I'm personally hoping Shulk from Xenoblade will be playable. Magiciandude (talk) 15:31, 26 December 2013 (EST)

I think that Sora should be a newcomer; reasons why include that he's very popular, has a lot of attacks that could be used and has been on Nintendo games. And as for another character that could be a newcomer, it'd possibly be Ghirahim. But I think that the character that will get in next will probably be Falco or Wolf. Requiem of Ice (talk) 20:54, 26 December 2013 (EST)

Well there are two major problems I see with Sora getting in. As far as I know, Disney owns the rights to the Kingdom Hearts characters so it would be too much of a hassle. Even if Disney didn't own Sora, I doubt he would be get in over a Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest character. Magiciandude (talk) 22:56, 26 December 2013 (EST)

That is unless Disney and Square Enix decide to release Kingdom Hearts III on the Wii U. We already have Disney Infinity for Wii U, so it's a possibility Disney and SE may put KH3 on the Wii U and Sora in SSB4. And as for Final Fantasy, it's a definite no go unless you go before 7; Dragon Quest, I don't know.

And if Namco should get a representative, it should actually be a Soulcalibur character if Soulcalibur II HD is ported to Wii U (correct me if I'm wrong about this info). It worked with Toon Link for Wind Waker HD, so if SCII HD is put on Wii U, then surely we may have any of those characters in SSB4.

In other characters, I want Ghirahim or Ridley to be in the game as a character. Now Bowser Jr. will definitely NOT get in as a playable character. We already have Rosalina as the Mario newcomer. And on other characters (probably) not getting in, Vaati, Waluigi, Toad, Pac-Man and Shadow. But then again, Nintendo may surprise us. Requiem of Ice (talk) 23:28, 26 December 2013 (EST)

Woah! I didn't think they'd reveal Lucario so soon. Here's hoping Mewtwo comes back as well! Magiciandude (talk) 02:34, 31 January 2014 (EST)

Good news, everyone. Diddy Kong is finally confirmed on the day Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze is out!

Diddy Kong/Dixie Kong Confirmation

So Little Mac is confirmed today. Do Diddy and/or Dixie still have a chance to appear in this game?

Diddy is guaranteed to come back, and Dixie is one of the most likely potential newcomers, Little Mac being revealed today instead of either of them is meaningless. Sakurai has shown before at the Pokemon X/Y releases that the "reveal related character to coincide with Japanese release of a new game" is not a hard rule, and that he likes to swerve people (and since Little Mac was pretty much the most expected newcomer, revealing him today was a way to make his reveal somewhat surprising). Omega Tyrant 23:00, 13 February 2014 (EST)

Well he was surprised since today is the DK TF release in Japan but no DK characters have been revealed. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 23:05, 13 February 2014 (EST)

I hope Diddy Kong will be confirmed by Friday in honor of Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze. If it doesn't happen, I'll be so upset! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎71.81.41.145 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 17 February 2014 (EST)

BTW, characters usually get confirmed on the Japanese release date of a certain game or a Japanese anniversary. This Friday is the US release of the Donkey Kong game however. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 22:04, 17 February 2014 (EST)

I know, but Little Mac stole Diddy's chance! I know Diddy will appear! He will, won't he?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.41.145 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 17 February 2014 (EST)

Well I don't know yet, there's going to be an upcoming Mario Kart game coming up though, and please sign your comments with ~~~~ I'm tired of adding unsigned templates, ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 22:40, 17 February 2014 (EST)

Don't forget there's an upcoming Mario Golf game.

Possibilities and Impossibilities

It's very obvious Dixie Kong, Bowser Jr., Waluigi, King K. Rool, Ridley, Porky, Chrom, Demise, Yuga, Vaati, Lucina, Mii, Sora, Cloud, Shadow the Hedgehog, Tails, Geno, Zero, Goku and Pac-Man probably won't be in the game as playable characters. As for returning characters likely not returning, it'll be ROB, Snake, Young Link, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Falco, Meta Knight and Lucas. Any other veteran is just fine, but I think that we will also be seeing the return of Melee's Link and Zelda since we have Gerudo Valley in the 3DS version.

But these are my predictions for newcomers, and the ones in bold are 3rd Party characters, and I will list reasons why:

• Ghirahim - He is the top ranked Zelda character wanted to be a newcomer, and he is the most likely candidate since Skyloft is a confirmed stage in Smash 4. As well, there's an abundance of Zelda stages confirmed. His moveset could consist of his dual wielded swords, giving a first for the series with a dual wielding character.
• Krystal - She is the top ranked Star Fox character to be a newcomer. She is very likely since she won't be a clone or semi-clone of Fox, and a possible replacement for Falco the Fox semi-clone. She is has her staff and a possible original moveset for her.
• Palutena - The top ranked Kid Icarus to be a newcomer and top ranked overall female. She is very likely, as her moveset would consist of her shield and staff, and she is a female character. Of course, if the "leaks" happen to be real...
• Leon S. Kennedy - Before you go into the whole, "Oh, he can't be in, he uses guns and we already have a Capcom character and stuff!!!1!11!", let me give you reasons why he should be in. You see, Leon would be a great replacement for Snake, especially since the two can use grenades. However, Leon has skills with the knife, making him even better to be a fighter in the game, and he also has the Rocket Launcher, Special Rocket Launcher, Mine Thrower and various other non-gun weapons. Leon would be a fast, balanced character in the game, with a great recovery. And even though we have Mega Man, it doesn't mean we won't have another 3rd Party representative, let alone another Capcom character. And remember, Resident Evil has appeared on Nintendo consoles, as well.
• Lloyd Irving - Now, we need a Namco representative, and he is the most wanted Namco representative...that's not Goku nor Pac-Man (for fuck's sake, they won't fucking be in, damn Miiverse users). As a character, Lloyd could also use dual wielded weapons. As we see in Super Smash Flash 2, a Smash Bros. fan game, Lloyd could obviously have a very original moveset that would fit him. He would use Demon Fang, Grave Blade, Sonic Thrust and Rising Falcon as his specials, since they would fit him best for these.
• All Street Fighter 2 Characters - Ryu, Ken, Blanka, Guile, Chun-Li, E. Honda, Dhalsim, Zangief, Balrog, Vega, Sagat, M. Bison, Cammy, Fei Long, Dee Jay, T. Hawk and Akuma are all possibilities since the Street Fighter 2 games have been mainly on Nintendo consoles, and most of these characters have originated in the game (ex. Ryu, Ken and Sagat). These characters have a large moveset in the games that would fit in the Smash Bros. series just as well as any other character for Smash Bros. And since Super Street Fighter IV has appeared on the 3DS, they have a huge possibility to be in Smash Bros. in any shape or form.

Now, I want to hear your opinions, and who you think will be possible for the next Super Smash Bros. game. I didn't intend to let it be this large, but then again, these are my predictions. I want to hear yours. Requiem of Ice (talk) 00:11, 23 February 2014 (EST)

Most of your " very obviously not making it" newcomers and "cut veterans" is so horribly wrong, and most of your predicted newcomers are just so awful, I don't know where to start. I'm certain at least half of these predictions are gonna be so wrong. Omega Tyrant 00:30, 23 February 2014 (EST)

You also realise Castlevania is a Konami series and not a Nintendo series? Omega Tyrant 00:34, 23 February 2014 (EST)

I also remembered that Sakurai said that he won't allow more than three third party characters. You have way to many third parties on this list. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 00:55, 23 February 2014 (EST)

Oh, for one more thing, your rationale for Pyramid Head is the series needs more villains, but then say K. Rool and Ridley, two main antagonists from big underrepresented Nintendo series, are "very obviously not making it in". Like what? In what world would Sakurai snub these two heavily requested main antagonists for a third party villain from a not that big and very non-Nintedo oriented franchise? Also, for your "there has been some Silent Hill games on Nintendo", there has been only exactly one Silent Hill game for a Nintendo console, that didn't sell particularly well, and Pyramid Head isn't even in (so he never appeared on a Nintendo console). This list really seems more of a "I want this" rather than actual rational predictions. Omega Tyrant 01:20, 23 February 2014 (EST)

I did make a mistake, there was another Nintendo Silent Hill...which was a obscure visual novel released on the GBA only in Japan, which also didn't have Pyramid Head on it. So yeah, even Metal Gear has had a significantly greater Nintendo presence and absolutely no Nintendo presence for Pyramid Head. Omega Tyrant 01:31, 23 February 2014 (EST)

Oh yeah, that's right. Well, I guess Harry or Heather Mason would be a better choice than PH, would they? As such, I deleted him from the possibles. But enough about that, now I am going to list WHY the "newcomer-type: characters I listed that won't be in, won't.

First off, Dixie Kong, Bowser Jr. and Waluigi. Now, as we all know, Diddy Kong and Little Mac were confirmed on the two days DK:TF was released in the respective regions. As such, it would be impossible for Dixie Kong to be a fully playable character; there are possibilities, however, that she would be an alternate or assist, much like the Male Wii Fit Trainer. As for Bowser Jr. and Waluigi, the new Mario rep, Rosalina and Luma, takes their place. Rosalina seemed improbable at first, while Bowser Jr. and Waluigi were more wanted than her, but Nintendo decided to pick Rosalina and not those two.

Now for Ridley, Porky, Demise and King K. Rool. You may think they would be good additions, right? Wrong. First off, they would be massive in size. They would all have to be bigger than Bowser, or the comparable size to Giga Bowser. They would be too large a target each, and way too heavy. Before you say, "Oh, they can be shortened.", think about the size of Bowser; he's the largest character in height. Demise is 1.5x bigger than Bowser, and King K. Rool is twice the size of him; and Bowser's height is solely taken from New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Taking this to account, Porky and Ridley would be 3 and 4 times the size of Bowser, respectively. Now that that's out of the way, attacks. All 3 would have too complicated or terrible movesets; they would be the same speed as Ganondorf from Brawl, if not slower. And finally, none of them would have a decent Final Smash, as their Final Smashes would probably be slow, as well; sure they could one hit kill, but they'd have to be extremely slow. Also haven't you taken into account that they'd probably walk like Bowser from Brawl, and have terrible running speed; a bit slower than Ganondorf's.

Chrom and Lucina are highly improbable, since their attack styles would be clones or semi-clones of Marth's. They'd have little to no originality, and they just seem too generic of fighters. Also, there's a higher probability that Roy or Ike would return.

We know little to nothing about Yuga's abilities, other than turning characters into a painting, turning himself into graffiti, and just all of YuGanon's attacks. I mean, Bowser Jr. would be a better choice than Yuga, but that still won't happen. I won't even go into Vaati, who would have a Zelda-esque moveset.

The only thing about Miis that would be possible is if they were background characters. If they were playable, they would have a generic Mario moveset and be a waste of time and space for the game.

Now we go into the Sega characters, Shadow and Tails. Look, I'll be blunt, despite popularity, they just won't be in. First of all, that'd make two Sega characters; that would mean that Snake would be impossible to be brought back whatsoever, should there be a limit of three 3rd party characters. Plus, Shadow would have a similar moveset to Sonic, and Tails...he would be terrible at the game.

Now for the Square Enix characters, Sora, Cloud and Geno. Despite them all being on Nintendo consoles, they wouldn't fit. Cloud started off on Playstation, first of all, and Sora is more Playstation; especially since Kingdom Hearts III will appear on Playstation 4 (and XBOX One), and not Wii U. As for Geno, he appeared in one, ONE Nintendo game. He is also owned by Square Enix, a company that goes mainly on Playstation. Plus, we have not seen a single Geno reference in any Mario game since Legend of the Seven Stars. He is just like the Tails Doll, a one game character. Sorry, but Geno...he is not going to be in.

Finally, Zero, Goku and Pac-Man. Okay, let's start with Zero; one, like I explained about Shadow, he'd make it impossible for Snake to be back in, should the limit be 3 3rd parties. Two, he would be a copy of Link, and three, we don't need two Capcom representatives from the same series. Now onto Goku; he's 4th Party, enough said. And for Pac-Man...do we really want a generic Mario/Kirby clone? Seriously, his moveset would be a copy of Mario and Kirby's, leaving little to no imagination.

Now to end this, Sakurai only specified that there'd be three third party characters IN BRAWL, but he never specified the limit in the upcoming Smash game, meaning we could have 4 or 5 third party representatives, or even the whole damn cast of Street Fighter II; though in the SFII cast's case, they'd most likely all would be Assist Trophies. But I still find it highly unlikely that the ones I described above will make it. I'm not trolling/trying to troll, I'm just trying to state my opinion about the characters.

Now, who wants to hear something interesting about the 3DS versions of Link and Zelda? Requiem of Ice (talk) 18:48, 23 February 2014 (EST)