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#Of course the PM Brawl characters are essentially new characters. We don't need new articles for the Melee veterans except for maybe Roy, Mewtwo and other drastically changed veterans--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 18:33, 16 October 2013 (EDT) | #Of course the PM Brawl characters are essentially new characters. We don't need new articles for the Melee veterans except for maybe Roy, Mewtwo and other drastically changed veterans--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 18:33, 16 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
#Yep, definitely. --[[User:Timson622222|Timson622222]] ([[User talk:Timson622222|talk]]) 22:46, 16 October 2013 (EDT) | #Yep, definitely. Here's where I stand- the current Project M page sucks. There's no denying it. No one wants all the information on one huge, cluttery page; many characters have changes that cannot be expressed simply in bullet points. Pages for Project M characters will encourage users to write more coherently and add new information in a fluent way, rather than just having a list of some apparent changes from ''Melee'' or ''Brawl'' which can be unclear. Expanding the character sections will just add to the gigantic size of the page, so in order to have paragraph explanations we need to move characters to their own separate pages. --[[User:Timson622222|Timson622222]] ([[User talk:Timson622222|talk]]) 22:46, 16 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
#Oh most certainly. Project M not only has two new characters but many characters function so differently from their vBrawl counterparts that is would be silly not to. Characters like Snake and Wario are so different. The Project M community would benefit greatly from this. As nice as Smashboards is the info can be confusingly formated or downright wrong. While SSBWiki can't completely defend against from this it will at least be all in one place.--[[User:LockableFaceman]] ([[User talk:LockableFaceman|talk]]) | #Oh most certainly. Project M not only has two new characters but many characters function so differently from their vBrawl counterparts that is would be silly not to. Characters like Snake and Wario are so different. The Project M community would benefit greatly from this. As nice as Smashboards is the info can be confusingly formated or downright wrong. While SSBWiki can't completely defend against from this it will at least be all in one place.--[[User:LockableFaceman]] ([[User talk:LockableFaceman|talk]]) | ||
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Revision as of 20:58, October 17, 2013
It has come to my attention that this Project M thing is getting pretty big: it already has recognition and equal standing to the three real games on SmashBoards and in tournaments. And now, multiple people are requesting that we do the same here.
At present, SW:NOT defines that we should keep away from fanon and fan games due to the impossibility of defining a notability criteria. However, Project M has a few properties that make it hard to fit into this generality:
- It defines its own notability criteria by being the only Brawl hack to reach widespread public recognition and tournament participation.
- It is only ambiguously a fan game, as it is a hack and not a bottom-up recreation. Highly notable hacks do have a place on-wiki.
The current policy on notable hacks (including Project M) is to contain all info about the hack on a single page and refrain from mentioning it on other pages. This debate is to determine whether we should change this policy, and in what way.
Process
This page has several sections. Read every section before you vote in any of them; some are mutually exclusive. The rules of voting are as follows:
- Place your vote in each applicable section. Make sure to sign your votes.
- You may include a reason with your vote, or you may not. If you do choose to include a reason, do not argue with what others have already said, as this is sure to be a controversial subject and arguing doesn't help anybody. Instead, put your entire opinion on the table. Express your reasoning as completely as possible, preferably without referring to anyone else's reasons, so that you will not need to elaborate in the future.
- If what you want to see has no option, vote in whatever's closest and state what you want to see as your reason. If enough others decide to side with this option it may be added for real.
- You may change your votes and/or reasons at any time, ensuring that it still conforms to the above.
- Votes that are unnecessary (a "no" in a subtopic where the user already voted "no" in the parent topic) will be deleted. Unsigned votes will be deleted, as will those with incorrect formatting. Reasons that break the given guidelines will be removed; the vote itself will remain. You can re-vote later if you do it properly.
- As with everything on the wiki, winning the vote does not guarantee winning the decision. Weight is given to arguments and voters' on-wiki experience. Recruiting new users from offsite to vote for your side will not help.
Topic: Allow Project M to have independent character pages
Note: A "Yes" decision here implies that relevant images, templates, and categories will also be allowed.
TCP: YesPlace your vote here if you would like to see
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TCP: NoPlace your vote here if you think Project M character info should remain on the hack's main page.
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Subtopic: Allow Project M to have moveset subpages
Note: If you voted "No" for individual character pages, do not vote here (your vote here is assumed "No").
STMS: YesPlace your vote here if you would like to see the moveset subpage project extended to PM.
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STMS: NoPlace your vote here if you think the effort required to extend the project is not worth it.
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Topic: Allow Project M to have other independent pages
TOI: YesPlace your vote here if you would like to see pages for other things that are PM-exclusive, such as stages and techniques.
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TOI: NoPlace your vote here if you think Project M stage and technique info should remain on the hack's main page.
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Topic: Give Project M equal standing with the real games
Note: "Equal standing" does not mean "part of the Smash Bros. series". The series itself will always be only the official games; the phrase "the Smash Bros. series" does not and will not refer to PM.
TEQ: YesPlace your vote here if you would like to see things like PM information in game-agnostic articles and PM links in infoboxes.
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TEQ: PartiallyPlace your vote here if you are okay with PM information in potentially any article, but only as a subset of Melee or Brawl information.
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TEQ: NoPlace your vote here if you think info about Project M should not be visible on any page that is not directly related to the hack.
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Subtopic: Usage of Project M article icon
STAI: EverywherePlace your vote here if you would like to see the PM article icon on any article that mentions it.
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STAI: LimitedPlace your vote here if you think the PM article icon should only be on PM-exclusive pages.
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STAI: NonePlace your vote here if you think PM should not even get an article icon. |
Votes: Delete notable hacks such as Project M from the wiki
Finally, there will be those who do not believe that even the most notable of hacks deserve representation on a wiki whose mission statement is to document the Smash Bros. series as unbiasedly as possible. This section is for those people to post their votes. If you intend to vote here, do not place a vote for the other topics.
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