Talk:Fox (SSB4)

Fox's Final Smash is still Landmaster. Add? Meyguhmein - talk - *FURIOUSLY FANBOYS OVER MEGAMAN* 01:24, 11 June 2014 (EDT)

Why is Charge Blaster listed as an option for Up Special? Shouldn't it be a Neutral Special?Tepig (talk) 16:01, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

The video proving the name is this, where it clearly says "Charge Blaster (Up Special)". Toomai Glittershine The Superlative 16:32, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

Actually in the E3 demo it never shown any neutral specials nor a side specials. So Charge Blaster may be a neutral special since all characters, well except Palutena and the Mii Fighters, have a rip off variation of that move. The Smash Brotha (talk) 10:30, 28 July 2014 (EDT)

Page is protected so can't add this myself. The Landmaster in SSB4 can now fire in the Air, prob should be noted somewhere in changes from Brawl. --Vashzaron (talk) 19:21, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

I'm trying to do damage calculations, but I can't add them due to the recent creation my account, I'm willing to do them for quite a few heroes... I just need permission. --Knin (talk) 22:46, 15 October 2014 (EDT)

You're just gonna have to wait a week to be auto-confirmed, however, if you want to start now, just post your calcs to the talk page and ask for credit in the edit summaries. Laikue (talk|contribs) 23:05, 15 October 2014 (EDT)

Aerial landing lag frame data

It's true that you said that his forward, up, neutral & down aerials have increased landing lag. But are you sure that Fox's back aerials have more landing lag than in Brawl? I compared his landing lag from Brawl to Smash 4. Luigi540 (talk) 03:36, 10 November 2014 (EST)

One thing to note about Fox's D-air is the landing lag seems to be affected only if you don't hit the opponent with it. According to the Fox tutorial made by ZeRo, he demonstrated here the differences between missing D-air and hitting with D-air. DavemanCozy (talk) 11:25, 3 December 2014 (EST)

Fox "appears to be nerfed overall"

"Fox appears to be nerfed overall. His movement speed was nerfed, making his approaches much less safe and he can no longer laser camp to bait bad approaches from his opponents. Additionally, his finishers are weaker. He did gain better recovery options, but they do not compensate for the nerfs to his neutral and punishment games."
Some comments on this: "His movement speed was nerfed:" According to this thread Fox's dashing speed is the 4th best in the game and his walking speed is the 3rd best in the game. From visual observation and playing, I actually think his dashing speed is better than Brawl's, although his walking speed does seem slower than it was in Brawl. The thread provided is based in human observation, so it's no solid data, but I think it's also misleading to say "his movement speed was nerfed" when he visually is faster than most of the cast.
"He can no longer laser camp to bait bad approaches:" Fox can no longer laser camp, but he can still use lasers to bait bad approaches (he just won't be shooting a ton of them like in Brawl) Should be re-worded to something like "he can no longer bait approaches as effectively with the blaster" or something to that effect.
DavemanCozy (talk) 12:08, 3 December 2014 (EST)

Movement speed refers to how safe his movement is. Smash 4 Fox's movement is the least safe it has ever been. In particular, I feel like his initial dash animation has been shortened and as you said his walk speed has been reduced. Because you change your spacing with dash dancing in Smash 4, you have to rely on inferior movement techniques in Foxtrotting and Walking. The nerfs to his initial dash animation and his walk speed nerf both of those techniques respectively. Less safe movement means you'll have a worse neutral game because you cannot approach easily.

As for lasers, you won't be able to bait approaches at all. Baiting a bad approach means you are able to punish said bad approach after your opponent commits. But because lasers have endlag, you won't be able to throw another move out to punish your opponent's approach. Fox sucks in this game.--Brian^{Don't try me!} 15:13, 3 December 2014 (EST)