Talk:Blaster (Fox)

Merge

This was taken from a different talk page as it was said the topic/conversation is better suited here. The points listed are taken from said conversion that was almost a month ago. Wolff (talk) 23:41, April 23, 2019 (EDT)

Blasters

Series: Star Fox

User(s): Fox, Falco, and Wolf.

Among the reasons stated in the previous conversation to Merge: Same Name, Same Origin.

Among the reasons stated in the previous conversation to Split: Works differently.

Note: Currently, the only moves to function the same with different names are Luigi's and Rosalina's Final Smashes in Ultimate. However, the reason for the name change was aesthetic. (Ultimate changed the appearance of what they used for their FS)

Note 2: Those are also Final Smashes, not Special moves.

Aside from what has already been listed above, what other reasons could there be to split or merge them? Wolff (talk) 23:41, April 23, 2019 (EDT)

It been about a week. If no one appears to oppose the notion, should I just merge them? Wolff (talk) 21:24, April 28, 2019 (EDT)

Merge fox and Falco lasers

Keep Wolf’s as separate page Thegameandwatch (talk) 15:00, May 1, 2019 (EDT)

But why not merge Wolf's as well? There's not much on Wolf's Blaster that would really warrant separation from Fox's and Falco's. If its differences, all three pages already list differences from each Blaster, probably because its the same move used by three different characters. Wolff (talk) 18:27, May 1, 2019 (EDT)

Wolf’s blaster has a different model, different looking lasers, and a completely different animation. Falco’s Blaster was Fox’s in the first game. I personally think they should be separate, but I can understand the mentality of merging Falco’s but not Wolf’s. Lou Cena (talk) 19:13, May 1, 2019 (EDT)

But models, lasers, and animations are all just aesthetics. All they change is how the move looks, not works. Wolff (talk) 20:14, May 1, 2019 (EDT)

Doesn't Wolf's lasers fire a lot more slower and deal more damage, though? The change between his blaster's and Fox's/Falco's is a lot more bigger than the one between Fox's and Falco's. Crazy456Rhino (talk) 09:23, May 7, 2019 (EDT)

The differences between wolf and fox's blaster is about the same kind of differences between Mario and Luigi's Fireball (which i may note do share a page) different looks and aesthetics, as well as different properties, but overall look and act pretty similar still and have the same name. Overall, despite having different properties, they are overall still similar enough to be deserving of the merge, especially since they are all 3 from the same series. XtraTalk Edits 10:28, May 7, 2019 (EDT)

Saying that Fox and Wolf share the same neutral special because they shoot a gun is like saying that Samus and Snake share a side special because they both shoot missiles, or that Fox and Wolf also share a neutral special with Joker because they all have guns. Different models, different projectiles, different uses, different animations, I could go on. Lou Cena (talk) 13:07, May 7, 2019 (EDT)

Moves that have the same name, but the users come from different series (regardless how similar it works) get separate pages, as is the case with the move "Thunder". We have Thunder (Pokemon) as there's more than one user from Pokemon (Pikachu & Pichu), and Thunder (Robin) as he is the only Fire Emblem character to use it. You can compare Samus and Snake's move from a technical standpoint, but not as the same move in terms of a page as the characters are from different series. Fox, Falco, and Wolf are all from Star Fox, and they each have a move called "Blaster". If not able to do the same combos and techniques with all three are a main concern, those tend to change depending on the installment (which can be noted). Other moves have had slight differences, but were/are enough to give them their own page as they had different names, similarly, despite others having more noticeable differences, they share the page as they have the same name and come from the same series.

As Xtra3678 mentioned, Xtra created a draft (User:Xtra3678/Blaster) on how it can/could look like if they get merged. If one does not like how it looks, then they try editing it in a way that make seance. (I would suggest looking at other moves with multiple users so it looks similar.) Wolff (talk) 14:30, May 7, 2019 (EDT)

There is also a draft of what the merged blasters page would look like (can be found at User:Xtra3678/Blaster), and the current draft keeps literally all of the wolf information on wolfs page, in its own seperate heading, keeping all the current information and not messing up anything. It could even be improved in order to show how it is still a very different projectile from the other 2 starfox charecters, however in its current state there should be no problems with the move being "too different to share a page" because it clearly shows off its differences in the draft page.XtraTalk Edits 10:41, May 7, 2019 (EDT)

Merge fox and Falco’s blaster and keep wolf blaster as it’s on page Thegameandwatch (talk) 17:18, May 8, 2019 (EDT)

Quoting myself from before: "But why not merge Wolf's as well? There's not much on Wolf's Blaster that would really warrant separation from Fox's and Falco's. If its differences, all three pages already list differences from each Blaster, probably because its the same move used by three different characters." Wolff (talk) 21:10, May 8, 2019 (EDT)

As I said before, Falco’s and Fox’s blasters use the same model for the gun and the laser. Wolf’s looks nothing like either of theirs, both the model and the laser, and all act very differently as well. If the issue is that they have the same origin, Wolf’s doesn’t even have one. Fox and Falco use blasters that look similar to those from Star Fox 64. Wolf’s was created solely for for Smash bros. I’m neutral for merging Falco’s and Fox’s, but Wolf’s blaster is one of the worst things to suggest a merge for. Lou Cena (talk) 21:24, May 8, 2019 (EDT)

Like I mentioned before, the differences of the "models" are just aesthetic, which just a visual difference. (I feel we're beginning to go in circles) The Blasters in Smash 4 have different customs but they are still the same move. Although they have different custom names, so do Link and Toon Link's bombs which are on the same page and are considered the same move. In the case with Origin, it does not seem to matter if Wolf's has no Origin in comparison as it seems that Wolf's Blaster is just based on Fox's (plus its currently just copy pasted information on the page). Wolff (talk) 22:17, May 8, 2019 (EDT)

So what your saying is that you think the 1 laser blaster looks different from the other laser blaster, and has a slower laser but other than that is mostly identical in origin, origin series, name, how you use it, and generally the way it is portrayed in smash, and has also been proven to be reliably able to show differences if put on the same page as the other blaster due to the draft, and yet you still think these 2 moves are radically and instrumentally different and would be "one of the worst things to suggest a merge for" despite all the shown reasons to be merged. It doesn't add up. the reasons you have supplied are greatly outweighed by the reasons to do the merge. Please just look at User:Xtra3678/Blaster for one second and then look at Blaster (Wolf) and please tell me what's so different between the 2 that makes it such a bad decision. XtraTalk Edits 00:04, May 9, 2019 (EDT)