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:''For information on the abnormality that can be seen in online matches, see [[Online desynchronization]].''
:''For information on the abnormality that can be seen in online matches, see [[Online desynchronization]].''
[[Image:Desynchtaunt.gif|thumb|right|"Continuous desynch," as demonstrated in {{sm|MICH}}'s [[SmashBoards]] signature.]]
[[Image:Desynchtaunt.gif|thumb|right|"Continuous desynch," as demonstrated in {{sm|MICH}}'s [[SmashBoards]] signature.]]
'''Desynching''' is an [[Advanced technique|advanced]] [[Ice Climbers]] [[technique]] that involves separating the two ice climbers' states and controlling them individually. It is most commonly done during [[grab]]s to allow Nana to attack a captive opponent or regrab them, but the Ice Climbers can be desynched out of many attacks, allowing the player to perform an [[attack]], move, [[jump]], or [[wavedash]] with either Nana or Popo, whilst inputting a different command to the other Ice Climber.
'''Desynching''' is an [[Advanced technique|advanced]] [[Ice Climbers]] [[technique]] that involves separating the two Ice Climbers' states and controlling them individually.


Continuous desynch, as demonstrated in ''{{YouTube|zQ3DzHTdwTA|Two Climbers, Two Hands}}'' is a technique and strategy which involves keeping the Climbers acting individually for extended periods of time. In addition to making the Climbers much more powerful offensively, they also become harder to approach with continuous desynch. Due to the extreme difficulty of timing and maintaining a continuous string of attacks, the in-combat potential of this approach is clearly substantial, but largely untapped.


==Principles==
While it may seem the Ice Climbers act simultaneously when performing an action, Nana actually has a several frame delay. Desynching relies on taking advantage of this frame delay by using specific means, most commonly done during [[grab]]s to allow Nana to attack a captive opponent or regrab them, but the Ice Climbers can be desynched out of many attacks, allowing the player to perform an [[attack]], move, [[jump]], or [[wavedash]] with either Nana or Popo, whilst inputting a different command to the other Ice Climber.
Due to changes to the Ice Climbers in ''Ultimate'', however, Nana no longer attacks along with Popo, thus invalidating this specific maneuver.
==Examples==
Note that not all methods can be used in ''Brawl'' or ''Ultimate''.
*Spot dodge + [[Ice Shot]]: A common way to initiate desynching. In the middle of the spot dodge animation, holding the Special Move button will cause Nana to perform Ice Shot as soon as the animation ends. During Ice Shot's animation, Popo is free to act independently from her.
An example of a maneuver that can be done with the above method is dubbed "The Nanapault": Popo uses Ice Shot after Nana, during which Nana jumps forward and uses [[Blizzard]]. This can be used in many applications, such as approaching the enemy, or to interrupt an attack.
*Pummel: While Popo is in the middle of pummeling the opponent, Nana can act during the middle of the animation with any kind of input. This method is used for initiating [[wobbling]].
*Dash dance: Similar to [[fox-trotting]], the Control Stick must be centered before the start of each dash.
*Empty short-hop: Takes advantage of Nana's landing lag. Initiated by short-hopping, fast falling, and then short-hopping again. The moment Nana lands after the the fast fall is when the second short-hop should be done. If done correctly, Popo will be able to jump by himself while Nana incurs landing lag, staying on the ground.
*Turning forward tilt: Using forward tilt in the opposite-facing diretion will cause Popo to forward tilt and Nana to jab. The different speeds between the moves allow for desynching. Can also be done while [[wavedashing]].
*Continuous desynch: As demonstrated in ''{{YouTube|zQ3DzHTdwTA|Two Climbers, Two Hands}}'', it is a technique and strategy which involves keeping the Climbers desynced for extended periods of time. In addition to making the Climbers much more powerful offensively, they also become harder to approach with continuous desynch. Due to the extreme difficulty of timing and maintaining a continuous string of attacks, the in-combat potential of this approach is clearly substantial, but largely untapped.
There are 2 rules when keeping the Ice Climbers continuously desynched:
1. Avoid having Popo use Blizzard; it will end the desynching process.
2. Always wavedash with Popo in order to move both of the Ice Climbers around.
*Pivot: A fairly difficult method of desynching to perform, as there is a 1 frame window to use any standing move from a pivot. If Popo performs a smash during said frame, it will come out seperate from Nana.
*Retreating pivot: Similar to the pivot desync, but with both sticks being inputted simultaneously.
*Advancing pivot: A variation of the pivot desync. Upon turning around, the C Stick is inputted the opposite direction.
*Nana platform: The Ice Climbers jump under a soft platform and air dodge, so that only Nana lands and wavedashes off of the platform. The air dodge should he done when Popo is halfway through the platform.
==Impact==
Due to the increased popularity of the Ice Climbers, desynching has quickly become a common tactic for a number of Ice Climber mains. Videos have been created solely for the purpose of demonstrating the possibilities of this technique.
Due to the increased popularity of the Ice Climbers, desynching has quickly become a common tactic for a number of Ice Climber mains. Videos have been created solely for the purpose of demonstrating the possibilities of this technique.



Revision as of 05:08, August 22, 2020

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The editor who added this tag elaborates: Hasn't got any Brawl or Ultimate data and hasn't been updated since February 2019. Rosalina & Luma desyncs could also be worth adding. (March 2020).
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The editor who added this tag elaborates: General technical data regarding desyncs, explanations, data for Melee, Brawl and Ultimate. A table of desync possibilities could be handy, as well as more technical data. (March 2020)
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For information on the abnormality that can be seen in online matches, see Online desynchronization.
A demonstration of the Ice Climbers desynching in Melee.
"Continuous desynch," as demonstrated in MICH's SmashBoards signature.

Desynching is an advanced Ice Climbers technique that involves separating the two Ice Climbers' states and controlling them individually.


Principles

While it may seem the Ice Climbers act simultaneously when performing an action, Nana actually has a several frame delay. Desynching relies on taking advantage of this frame delay by using specific means, most commonly done during grabs to allow Nana to attack a captive opponent or regrab them, but the Ice Climbers can be desynched out of many attacks, allowing the player to perform an attack, move, jump, or wavedash with either Nana or Popo, whilst inputting a different command to the other Ice Climber.

Due to changes to the Ice Climbers in Ultimate, however, Nana no longer attacks along with Popo, thus invalidating this specific maneuver.

Examples

Note that not all methods can be used in Brawl or Ultimate.

  • Spot dodge + Ice Shot: A common way to initiate desynching. In the middle of the spot dodge animation, holding the Special Move button will cause Nana to perform Ice Shot as soon as the animation ends. During Ice Shot's animation, Popo is free to act independently from her.

An example of a maneuver that can be done with the above method is dubbed "The Nanapault": Popo uses Ice Shot after Nana, during which Nana jumps forward and uses Blizzard. This can be used in many applications, such as approaching the enemy, or to interrupt an attack.

  • Pummel: While Popo is in the middle of pummeling the opponent, Nana can act during the middle of the animation with any kind of input. This method is used for initiating wobbling.
  • Dash dance: Similar to fox-trotting, the Control Stick must be centered before the start of each dash.
  • Empty short-hop: Takes advantage of Nana's landing lag. Initiated by short-hopping, fast falling, and then short-hopping again. The moment Nana lands after the the fast fall is when the second short-hop should be done. If done correctly, Popo will be able to jump by himself while Nana incurs landing lag, staying on the ground.
  • Turning forward tilt: Using forward tilt in the opposite-facing diretion will cause Popo to forward tilt and Nana to jab. The different speeds between the moves allow for desynching. Can also be done while wavedashing.
  • Continuous desynch: As demonstrated in Two Climbers, Two Hands, it is a technique and strategy which involves keeping the Climbers desynced for extended periods of time. In addition to making the Climbers much more powerful offensively, they also become harder to approach with continuous desynch. Due to the extreme difficulty of timing and maintaining a continuous string of attacks, the in-combat potential of this approach is clearly substantial, but largely untapped.

There are 2 rules when keeping the Ice Climbers continuously desynched:

1. Avoid having Popo use Blizzard; it will end the desynching process. 2. Always wavedash with Popo in order to move both of the Ice Climbers around.

  • Pivot: A fairly difficult method of desynching to perform, as there is a 1 frame window to use any standing move from a pivot. If Popo performs a smash during said frame, it will come out seperate from Nana.
  • Retreating pivot: Similar to the pivot desync, but with both sticks being inputted simultaneously.
  • Advancing pivot: A variation of the pivot desync. Upon turning around, the C Stick is inputted the opposite direction.
  • Nana platform: The Ice Climbers jump under a soft platform and air dodge, so that only Nana lands and wavedashes off of the platform. The air dodge should he done when Popo is halfway through the platform.

Impact

Due to the increased popularity of the Ice Climbers, desynching has quickly become a common tactic for a number of Ice Climber mains. Videos have been created solely for the purpose of demonstrating the possibilities of this technique.