Forum:Get rid of all competitive navigation templates?
This is something that has been mentioned before, but was never decided upon. Competitive nav templates (such as Template:Ccsc) serve very little purpose and their grouping is usually loosely based on location of the tournament, crew, etc. We have already decided that individual smashers don't belong on these, but I would like to be rid of them completely. Serpent 
King 20:18, 27 February 2016 (EST)
Support
- I obviously support. Serpent King 20:18, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- I'd be fine with dropping most of them, but I think we could/should keep the ones for various tourney series. (ex. here or here) BaconMaster
20:29, 27 February 2016 (EST) - drop every one except for tournament ones.
Poultry
(talk) the Pumpkin Pie 20:49, 27 February 2016 (EST) - Do this asap Those templates annoy me to no end. Disaster Flare
(talk) 20:55, 27 February 2016 (EST) - I don't have a stance on this, but support per everyone else. Ganonmew, The Lovingly Evil Clone 21:34, 27 February 2016 (EST)
Oppose
Comments
For me it depends on one basic question: if you're trying to navigate between competitive Smash topics, how is the most practical way to do it? Let's say someone wanted to look at, say, a) SoCal Smasher pages, b) SoCal tournament pages, and c) SoCal Power Rankings. Right now, the best way to do that is to use multiple categories, which is workable but not necessarily as intuitive as a nav template. On the other hand, as I mentioned in the linked discussion in the OP, the issue becomes deciding notability requirements for a nav template and making sure it doesn't get filled with bloat. It's a tricky call. Miles (talk) 20:46, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- Would you at least call it reasonable to drop crews out of the templates? Serpent King 20:53, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- I suppose. That's kind of not my area of concern here. Miles (talk) 21:35, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- To me, all these things are are annoyances. They get in the way when trying to delete pages, and they constantly have to be updated (but never are) Serpent King 21:37, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- What I will agree with is that the current system is sloppy and inconsistent. However, before trashing the concept completely, I feel like it's worthwhile to consider the benefits of improving the system instead. For example, here's a sloppy mockup I threw together:
- To me, all these things are are annoyances. They get in the way when trying to delete pages, and they constantly have to be updated (but never are) Serpent
- I suppose. That's kind of not my area of concern here. Miles (talk) 21:35, 27 February 2016 (EST)
| Southern California competitive scene | |
|---|---|
| Top players (Melee) | Mango · Westballz · Lucky · MacD · S2J · HugS · Mike Haze · Alex19 · Ken · Fly Amanita |
| Top players (SSB4) | ZeRo · Larry Lurr · VoiD · Ito · Tyrant · K9 · falln · Tearbear · Mr. ConCon · Zenyou · Xzax |
| Major tournaments | Smash of Ages 2015 · Press Start · Paragon Los Angeles 2015 · more would go here |
| Other | SoCal Power Rankings · Smashers · Tournaments |
- I figure this is the kind of thing that should be considered. Miles (talk) 22:02, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- Ok but we would then need to draw a firm line on what gets a nav template and what doesn't. Less notable groups are bound to have more out of date content, so these should be for only the most notable of groups. Serpent King 22:28, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- Agreed, which is why I used a notable and active region like SoCal as an example. In the same way there's a clear delineation between "regional" and "national" tournaments, I figure it would be possible to specify what qualifies a region's scene as notable and substantial enough to warrant a template. I'm not the right person to make the call of where to draw the line, but I could see it working out if done that way. Miles (talk) 22:31, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- Ok but we would then need to draw a firm line on what gets a nav template and what doesn't. Less notable groups are bound to have more out of date content, so these should be for only the most notable of groups. Serpent
- I figure this is the kind of thing that should be considered. Miles (talk) 22:02, 27 February 2016 (EST)
Ok then let's do this: We'll have discussion on each template (or I guess in some cases, groups of templates).
(my sig has to go somewhere so...) Serpent King 22:45, 27 February 2016 (EST)
Templates that should be newly created
Templates that are safe from deletion
These templates are safe from deletion, but may need alterations to fit the higher notability standards.
- Template:Apex
- Template:BEAST
- Template:CEO
- Template:DVDA
- Template:ESL
- Template:EVO
- Template:GENESIS
- Template:MLG - probably could do with some cleanup.
- Template:Paragon
- Template:Pound
- Template:TGC
- Template:The Big House
- Template:Umebura
Templates that should be deleted
These templates may be deleted due to their scope having complete lack of notability.
