Talk:Little Mac (SSBU)

Moveset Damage

A couple days ago I decided to edit the damage aspect of the Moveset portion of this article. It was later reverted back to normal, probably because of something along the lines of no sources. That being said though, i’m certain that the damage data is actually that of Smash 4’s Little Mac. I’ve seen some of the moves hit by hit to see that they’re different. I want to know how it can be fixed and what it should be fixed to because, again, i’m certain that the damage is outdated. MacForever (talk) 01:36, July 8, 2019 (EDT)

Is Little Mac treaten like a laughingstock?

Sometimes i feel that Little Mac is treaten too poorly by the community, he is like their laughingstock or something. Do you think that some buffs may make him more viable and improve his perception? Personally, i would do this:

-Improve his throws and combo game: The collateral hitboxes mostly are a trouble for Little Mac's throws, so i will remove all of them except for down throw. Forward throw would be a semispike with very low base knockback but very high knockback scaling, allowing it to KO at 145% at the ledge while keeping its tech-chasing ability at low and mid percentages, back throw would launch more diagonally and KO at 120%, up throw would KO at 170% and down throw will have slightly less knockback scaling and its ending lag will be decreased by five frames. As Mac lacks true combos, Up and down tilt will also need some adjustments, their ending lag will be decreased by three frames for the former, and by two for the latter. This will give Mac the combos he needs.

-Reset Jolt Haymaker after a hit and improve Mac's air acceleration and air dodge: It is somewhat stupid that if Little Mac gets hit after using Jolt Haymaker in the air, he can't use it again. This never happened with anyone, so this thing should be removed. Also, Mac's air acceleration should be higher, at least to be on par with Ike, Roy or Sonic. His directional air dodge should also go slighly further, at least on par with Bayonetta instead of lower.

This is not the place to muse about buffs and nerfs. Check your talk page. CookiesCreme 07:35, November 3, 2019 (EST)

The reason i wrote this is because ever since Little Mac became playable in SSB4, he received negative reception, and the community treated him as a joke and laughingstock due to his playstle not fitting well in the game, and this still happens today. I thought that some positive changes could improve his perception. And don't tell me that it is meant to be this way because Little Mac is considered an underdog. Not to mention, in his series, he is not very developed. He needs to be treaten better than being considered trash all around.

Notable Players

Wes has pretty notable wins and is a very well known Mac player due to how active he is in his region. Even though he has fewer results at major tournaments than the people on the current list, he definitely has better wins. Luigi86101 (talk) 15:04, January 1, 2020 (EST)

That doesn't necessarily mean he belongs on the notable players list. If he had a win on MkLeo or Tweek but had mediocre placements I believe it would be fine, but in this case he has both mediocre placements and victories over not-so-top players. Remember, not all Little Mac mains deserve to be on the list. CookiesCreme 15:15, January 1, 2020 (EST)

These aren't not-so-top players, they're literally PR players in SoCal. I know not every Mac player needs to be on the list, but Wes is definitely very notable. Luigi86101 (talk) 02:14, January 5, 2020 (EST)

Peanut

I really think we need to address the elephant in the room here. As things stand, Peanut is probably the most well-known Little Mac main in North America right now. I'm given to understand certain users are dead-set against his inclusion on this article, and the main argument against his inclusion is that his results aren't as good as what is usually seen from players in these sections. However, I would like to note that the decision was made to name the sections "most historically significant players", not "players with best results" or "top players". In terms of historical significance, there is no way we can deny that Peanut has been very influential among Little Mac mains, to the point where top players are taking notice of him. Now, I'm not particularly wired in to the competitive scene as a whole, so I don't really have a huge amount to say on the matter, but I think this is something that really needs to be discussed, as it's clear at this point that Peanut isn't going anywhere, and I don't really think it's fair to just write him off as a wifi warrior. Alex the Weeb 19:03, November 21, 2021 (EST)

It's not that he's being written off as a wifi Warrior, but he's not even universally agreed upon as the best Mac in MDVA. He's started getting a few notable offline results. So alongside a few other not included currently (the other Mac in his region, Midoriss, and Yaminabe) have also had some results. I do believe the passed proposal under the guidelines requires results that indicate the plauer is among the most historically significant result wise with the character. But Peanut is worth keeping in mind with those other players for  possible inclusion. Wiifitkid (talk) 19:28, November 21, 2021 (EST)

Peanut Should Be A Notable Player

Peanut has shown to not only be a very ambitious Little Mac player in Ultimate, but hes gotten results i think are worthy of being considered a recognizable and historically significant Little Mac player. For results:

• 25th at The Box: Lunch Box 11 (322 entrants)
• 33rd at CEO 2021 (777 entrants)
• 49th at Mainstage 2021 (830 entrants and his name IS on the table)
• 13th at CyPhaCon Mini Esports (253 entrants)
• 33rd at Super Smash Con: Fall Fest (769 entrants)
• 17th at The Comeback (241 entrants)
• Has offline wins over naitosharp, ZD, Dexter, Mj, Kreeg, Mata-Door, and Wal00gi
• Has online wins over 8BitMan, WaDi, Myran, Ned, Jake, Syrup, and WebbJP
• Has placed consistently well in multiple online tournaments
• Discovered a way for Little Mac to actually go below the stage and come up on the other side of the stage.

Overall, Peanut is very much a historically significant Little Mac player and deserves to be credited as such. Birdygamer1122 (talk) 19:22, January 11, 2022 (EST)

I don't have any strong opinions on Peanuts inclusion yet. His results are still a little inconsistent but that's true of most Macs. Hes also ranked in tough region, though no particularly high. On one hand, I think he has a case over GaiA who is on the list but on the other hand I don't see a huge gap between him and say Midoriss and Yaminabe (who aren't on the list) if at all. And if your including online Yaminabe has some really good Mac results. I'm fine with whatever everyone else decides. Wiifitkid (talk) 16:02, January 12, 2022 (EST)

I don't usually get involved with competitive related discussions on the Wiki but, it is quite frankly a travesty that Peanut is not listed on the article. While his results aren't amazing (and a lot of that has to do with the character he mains), they are still noteworthy. But more than that, he is widely considered the best Little Mac main by many top players, he has pioneered new playstyles for the character, and has undoubtably contributed to Little Mac's improved reputation. He is the definition of historically significant. Alex the Weeb 16:28, January 12, 2022 (EST)

"He is widely considered the best Little Mac main by many top players."

I can certainly see a case for Peanut being added to the list, but Tarakotori still has the best wins and overall placings at majors out of any Little Mac player. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:26, January 12, 2022 (EST)