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:I'm totally neutral towards Bowser Jr., although I will admit it's a clever way to get 8 characters for the price of 1. Anybody who expected Ridley after the April Direct was deluding themselves, really. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:38, 11 September 2014 (EDT)
:I'm totally neutral towards Bowser Jr., although I will admit it's a clever way to get 8 characters for the price of 1. Anybody who expected Ridley after the April Direct was deluding themselves, really. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:38, 11 September 2014 (EDT)
::In my opinion, the worst kind of character that can be added are characters that are just another version of a character already present. Not necessarily clone characters, though they all are, but characters that are essentially in the game twice: Mario and Dr. Mario; Link, Young Link, and Toon Link. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 18:43, 11 September 2014 (EDT)
::In my opinion, the worst kind of character that can be added are characters that are just another version of a character already present. Not necessarily clone characters, though they all are, but characters that are essentially in the game twice: Mario and Dr. Mario; Link, Young Link, and Toon Link. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 18:43, 11 September 2014 (EDT)
The characters I like got in (R.O.B., Pac-Man, plus Dr. Mario), though I can resonate with most of the community's disappointment. Despite not hating them, I'll admit that Dark Pit and Dr. Mario are mostly unreasonable (perhaps terrible) roster additions, as is Lucina, even considering their slight differences from their parent characters. Wolf, Lucas, and Mewtwo would have been much better choices given their uniqueness (mostly unique in Wolf's case, since he shares the space animal archetype with Fox and Falco). This just shows us that a new or reintroduced character can get in on just that, while familiar unique characters get the axe (or stalled, to use more optimistic terms). Chrom would have also been nice, and Sakurai's reason for leaving him out while ''at the same time'' including Lucina is mostly self-contradicting ("I didn't want another generic swordfighter, so here's a complete clone of Marth lol"). I also really wanted Dixie Kong and Isaac to appear. The only way we'll see them (the mentioned characters sans Chrom plus the Ice Climbers and Snake) now is if:
*It's discovered/revealed that the Wii U version will indeed have more characters. (very, very unlikely)
*DLC is considered. (I like the idea of DLC, though I don't know why there had to be any cuts to any characters not named Snake, Squirtle, and Ivysaur. I would rather have a full roster without having to download characters down the road, but it's no huge deal).<br>
In short, I'm not disappointed, but I do think the roster could have been ''much'' better. <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 18:49, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

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Forums: Index Smash 4 Talk Full Roster Thoughts

Welp, it appears that the full roster has been revealed, albeit unofficially. Personally, I'm disappointed that Mewtwo didn't get a comeback; however, I'm more disappointed that they'd bring back a clone, Dr. Mario, rather than a non-clone. I did not see Ice Climbers being cut at all; that came by surprise. Lucas being cut was a surprise, but that may be my biase opinion towards the Mother series talking. I was also hoping that Skull Kid was going to be a playable character after this poll was sent to Nintendo, but oh well. I was also hoping for Shadow to be playable, but I wasn't expecting anything. Overall though, I'd say this a good roster (maybe more to come in dlc?) So what are your guys' thoughts and opinions on the full roster? Unknown the Hedgehog 17:31, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

My biased opinion is this: Brawl made 4 cuts (if you consider Young Link and Toon Link equivalent). SSB4 made 7 cuts (or 5 depending how you count PT), plus leaving 3 of Brawl's cuts alone, for a total of 10 no-shows. 10 no-shows in 60 characters is rather depressing. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Yellow 17:37, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

Snake was an understandable cut, given licensing reasons. Squirtle and Ivysaur are understandable cuts, given the removal of transformation and the desire not to overdose on Pokemon. Lucas, Wolf, and Ice Climbers are baffling. Especially odd is that we get three very obvious clones... but they're all from series which were getting newcomers anyway. I guess I just don't get it. Miles (talk) 18:08, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

I'm laughing at all the Ridley callers.
Also, Bowser Jr. is the fucking worst Nintendo-related character to put in smash. Even worse than Ridley. Chilex (talk) 18:34, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

I'm totally neutral towards Bowser Jr., although I will admit it's a clever way to get 8 characters for the price of 1. Anybody who expected Ridley after the April Direct was deluding themselves, really. Miles (talk) 18:38, 11 September 2014 (EDT)
In my opinion, the worst kind of character that can be added are characters that are just another version of a character already present. Not necessarily clone characters, though they all are, but characters that are essentially in the game twice: Mario and Dr. Mario; Link, Young Link, and Toon Link. Unknown the Hedgehog 18:43, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

The characters I like got in (R.O.B., Pac-Man, plus Dr. Mario), though I can resonate with most of the community's disappointment. Despite not hating them, I'll admit that Dark Pit and Dr. Mario are mostly unreasonable (perhaps terrible) roster additions, as is Lucina, even considering their slight differences from their parent characters. Wolf, Lucas, and Mewtwo would have been much better choices given their uniqueness (mostly unique in Wolf's case, since he shares the space animal archetype with Fox and Falco). This just shows us that a new or reintroduced character can get in on just that, while familiar unique characters get the axe (or stalled, to use more optimistic terms). Chrom would have also been nice, and Sakurai's reason for leaving him out while at the same time including Lucina is mostly self-contradicting ("I didn't want another generic swordfighter, so here's a complete clone of Marth lol"). I also really wanted Dixie Kong and Isaac to appear. The only way we'll see them (the mentioned characters sans Chrom plus the Ice Climbers and Snake) now is if:

  • It's discovered/revealed that the Wii U version will indeed have more characters. (very, very unlikely)
  • DLC is considered. (I like the idea of DLC, though I don't know why there had to be any cuts to any characters not named Snake, Squirtle, and Ivysaur. I would rather have a full roster without having to download characters down the road, but it's no huge deal).

In short, I'm not disappointed, but I do think the roster could have been much better. Blue Ninjakoopa 18:49, 11 September 2014 (EDT)