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LittleMacmain97, a new kind of noob. (talk) 17:20, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

I see that you're in the process of cleaning up..

...but I'll give you one anyway:

You are doing good. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 06:53, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

Awesome, thanks :). BUT... It says "cleaning up the taunt pages"... --BeepYou (talk) 07:05, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

Pooooooooooop...I fixed it. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 07:16, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

Also, you do not main the worst character in the game, unless you main Dedede. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 09:31, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

Exactly. Mac has INSANE ground power, CRAZY fast moves (how fast? FRAME 1 JAB!), but all that pros come at a cost... because he has REALLY bad air power. Heck, even the OHKO KO uppercut goes from KOing at 10% to KOing at 150%. (Sorry for off topic) INoMed (Talk) 09:36, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

Uh...he mains Palutena. But yeah, Mac is upper mid tier imo. Lel Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 09:39, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

I do not think she's really the worst... that is, if there is indeed potential due to the shield mechanics harming her a lot. It is the crowd who considers her the worst because she is entirely crippled by the pathetic frame data on her moveset, and they will possibly say she is even worse than before due to the shield mechanics. I just say she's the worst so people shut up and let me use whoever the bloop I want. Also, I do not think Dedede is the worst, there are even worse characters like Dr. Mario... Dedede also seems to be more decent due to the increased hitlag and shieldstun. And nah, it wasn't really off topic, INoMed. --BeepYou (talk) 09:42, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

I have my reasons, and they are here. Omega Tyrant, who is an admin here, is the reason I think that, when I told him Dedede was underrated. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 09:53, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

I do think he's one of the worst, but I do not really think he is the absolute worst. Maybe, and only maybe time will tell us... as well as the changes to the shield... well, you know. --BeepYou (talk) 09:59, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

It kind of poops on his face because a lot of his moves (especially fair, which is made very unsafe) don't have a ton of hitlag, barring smashes. Why is fair so weak and non-hitlaggy that it is unsafe on hit, but still doesn't autocancel in a short hop? Also, I would appreciate if you read and give your feedback to the forum. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 10:13, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

My response to this.

I saw your edit... and I must say: I don't think "m2k" has the worst special moveset in the game alongside Pally. His reflector in Confusion is quick and has low ending lag, his projectile in Shadow Ball is very powerful when fully charged, and his Teleport is pretty good as it is quick and gives him a lot of momentum. The only special move that has no use is Disable: it is slow, has more endlag than Confusion and can be reflected. Jiggs' special moves are wildly polarized as Pound can be used for combos, recovery and KOing (the latter is very situational though) and Rest makes the opponent rest in peace, while Rollout and Sing are telegraphed very easily. I think both "Jiggs" and "lol m2k" compete for the second worst special moveset.

Pally's default specials are all bad except Warp (which still has issues), as Autorecticle will hit only 30% of the time, Reflect and Counter are slow and have a lot of ending lag, and Warp has no hitboxes and even when she is about to teleport she can be hit, as well as having range as short as Mewtwo but no momentum to compensate. Those are the reasons why she has indeed the worst one (sadly). --You

As for Mewtwo, Shadow Ball has no charging hitbox and needs more than 10 frames more time to charge than Lucario's and doesn't have high enough growth to compensate. Confusion is punishable on hit and has pretty bad range, and Teleport has you eat massive landing lag should you land just as you reappear, and has no hitboxes like Palutena, with just as much startup. As for Puffy Fluffy, Rest has almost no range, only has a hitbox for 1-2 frames, and is punishable on kill because it always blasts instead of Star/Screen KOing. As for Pound, good luck landing it with range like that. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 21:44, 6 November 2015 (EST)

Bump. Ganonmew, The Festive Evil Clone 15:41, 3 December 2015 (EST)

Dude I did read it. Just because I didn't respond don't expect an answer :P. Sorry. --BeepYou (talk) 16:08, 3 December 2015 (EST)

Sorrrrryyyy. D-:. Ganonmew, The Festive Evil Clone 08:40, 5 December 2015 (EST)

Hax's mains.

Hax has only been in one Smash 4 tournament and it took place close to the Wii U version's release. Character main sections on SmashWiki should only list mains for games that players take seriously. Hax only plays Melee (and maybe PM) seriously. Please do not relist SSB4 Falcon on the page or I will have to get someone else to revert it. --Falcon-X (talk) 17:17, 14 November 2015 (EST)

I want to point this out, so we solve this pacifically. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 18:04, 12 January 2016 (EST)

Excuse me, but...

Your signature's image is too wide. Reduce the size from 60px to 50px, as there is actually a limit to how wide signatures are. INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 04:54, 5 December 2015 (EST)

Bump of this, since you haven't fixed this problem. 98.157.202.185 13:54, 24 December 2015 (EST)

Smash

I'm available for Smash 3DS action right now if you want. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 16:56, 19 December 2015 (EST)

Hello? You there? Zyrac(talk•contribs) 17:20, 19 December 2015 (EST)

Bad timing, I guess. Message me if you see me online later. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 17:37, 19 December 2015 (EST)

I'm so, so sorry Zyrac. I went for a long walk and then was invited by my friennds for a drink, I got home until 9:30. And I was too tired for smashing. Do you have time right now to compensate, so we can smash? I already registered you. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 17:11, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Okay, I've got some time now if you're still good. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 17:46, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Did you register me already? :) -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 17:59, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Yep. Waiting for you in With Friends right now, let's go. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 18:00, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Your connection given up on you, man? Too bad. Fun few games, at least, especially the Cloud ditto. I gotta be in bed soon, so I guess we'll pick this up some other time. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 18:40, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Yea, pretty sorry. Really wanted to use Palu, but I guess it'll be for another day. You're also amazing with Puff. Keep it up. Also, seems there was input lag on my part when I used Falcon. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 19:28, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Lucas/Zelda pages

I changed Lucas page. When it comes down to it, he has been notably nerfed from Brawl. All of his smash attacks (But down smash) deals less knockback, his aerials no longer autocancel from a short hop and deal less damage, PSI magnet is much worse overall, Grabs were buffed, but still has a worse pummel, and the shieldstun is at best a mixed bag for Lucas. He no longer has access to his advanced techniques from Brawl either. I've been playing close attention to Lucas since release, and his results are lacking, and the consensus is that he was nerfed as his options are overall worse. Maybe he could be considered buffed relative to the cast, but even that is doubtful. Have you seen this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKbLqoXfEns

I've left Zelda alone, but I plan on getting a consensus and changing it soon. As things are, Zelda is considered to be one of the worst characters if not the worst, by casuals and competitive players alike. She has no results, and barebones representation. Losing Sheik has notably crippled her, with the Phantom failing to compensate for this loss. You said you were backed by the community, but popularity won't make a bad character good. So i'll give it more time, but saying Zelda was nerfed seems appropriate. Even on her discussion page, most seem to think that she has been nerfed. http://www.ssbwiki.com/Talk:Zelda_(SSB4) Have you seen this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkDlXJ3jiKg

I'm just looking at the facts and coming to a conclusion based on them. Between their results, and the general consensus, both characters were seemingly nerfed and the Changes from Brawl section should reflect this.

Nightgengale (talk) 14:48, 29 December 2015 (EST)

What is up, Gengale. Sure, I watched both of them by now, so let's talk 'bout it.

Lucas: Okay, Lucas was nerfed originally in his transition. But that video about Lucas is out of date when it comes to his grab. However, the changes to the mechanics along with game updates have helped to compensate for most of the nerfs, with the exception, of course, being down tilt, up and down aerials. We could just say he was slightly nerfed overall, as of now. He has indeed improved relative to the cast, but only a little bit because of most veterans being buffed to varying degrees (except Marth, obviously).

Zelda: I recently watched the video, so... here I go: when I said I was backed up by the community, I meant "not many people said she was the worst", but she is indeed bad. It's just many people think many other characters are also bad, with many examples being Mii Gunner, Jigglypuff, Duck Hunt (which I disagree), Little Mac (again, I disagree), Mii Swordfighter and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Palu. IMO, She had many useful buffs, but the few nerfs she also gained have helped to make her seem like she didn't improve at all in a 1v1 environment. However, I disagree about her frame data: she doesn't have an extremely poor frame data, many characters have even poorer data than her, most notably 3D, Dorf and Shulk.

I'll take care of both pages, but I'll be sure to not make an erroneous edit based on what we talked, so you don't fear. -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 16:35, 29 December 2015 (EST)

lol you didn't have to tell the same thing to King BTW XD. Looking forward to what you'll say about what I write. -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 18:38, 29 December 2015 (EST)

Just wanted his opinion as well. Nothing more.Nightgengale (talk) 23:35, 30 December 2015 (EST)

Not sure if worth mentioning but....

1v1 me :vNightgengale (talk) 23:57, 30 December 2015 (EST))

It's almost bedtime here, so it'll be another day. Sry. -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 00:14, 31 December 2015 (EST)

Do you have time tomorrow? -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 00:17, 31 December 2015 (EST)

What about now? I've got almost all day. Nightgengale (talk) 16:13, 31 December 2015 (EST)

This guy

I would appreciate your opinion on the "Attributes" and "Changes from Brawl" sections, since I'm the one who wrote them. Not only because Falco is a serious main of mine, but because there are some smashers who've been placing well with him. Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 06:54, 13 January 2016 (EST)

It's okay, a pretty good writing of yours. Doesn't surprise me as I had wrote the section for Palu's attributes before anon ruined it then you came out of nowhere and fixed it. BUT, returning to Falco, there are a few things that I could change so they look better worded, as well as add the issues about his neutral game. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 10:35, 13 January 2016 (EST)

I knew I was forgetting something. Okay then, what changes do you suggest? Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 10:39, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Look at his page now. I gotcha covered. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 12:17, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Looks good. Kinda lengthy, but it covers everything. Thanks! ^_^ Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 12:37, 13 January 2016 (EST)

No prob. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 12:38, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Oh and, one last thing. Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 12:48, 13 January 2016 (EST)