Talk:Pokémon Trainer (SSBU)

Alternate costumes

The information specified in this subsection is valuable, definitely, but traditionally that kind of knowledge is kept in a separate article. Should it be removed and saved for another day closer to the game's release or tolerated until the full "Alternate costume (SSBU)" article is created? Should other characters in Ultimate receive similar subsections?Nintendo101 (talk) 21:16, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

By tradition, we document alternate costumes on their character pages too. Look at any fighter's info page for any of the previous games to see what I mean. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 21:25, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

I've looked through the character pages for fighters in Brawl and SSB4 and found none. Maybe I'm overlooking it. Do you have any examples? Nintendo101 (talk) 00:03, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

The most I've seen is that Shulk's page mentions that his costumes are based on party members from Xenoblade Chronicles. Perhaps we could truncate this page's "Alternate costumes" section to the leading paragraph, and leave the specifics for the "Alternate costume (SSBU)" page? DryKirby64 (talk) 00:07, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

I would be in favor of that, in addition to formally starting the "Alternate costume (SSBU)" article. While all details aren't available now, other users are clearly interested in describing the details they've found, and I don't think they should be restricted to just the info relevant to the character articles. Nintendo101 (talk) 00:26, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

Here's an alt costume section. And another. And another. They're usually at the bottom of every page. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 00:39, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

Black Vulpix, I think you misunderstood what I meant. I'm sorry if I was unclear. I know character articles have subsections for alternate costumes, but people are adding descriptions for what each alt is based on, as exemplified on this very article or Ridley's. That kind of detail is reserved for the "Alternate costume" pages. Using the example you provided, Peach's Melee article says nothing about the fact that she has alts based on Daisy or Mario Golf. It just shows a picture of what the alts are. That kind of info is described only here. Nintendo101 (talk) 00:53, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

The "Alternate costume" article is currently in the sandbox stages, likely because the demo only features a small portion of the cast. You can find it here. DryKirby64 (talk) 01:22, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

I suppose the question we might have to ask soon is: where do we want the detailed descriptions of the costumes? Should we keep them on the Alternate Costume pages, or move them to their respective character section under the "Alternate Costumes" sections? Or both? I'm neutral about this, but I can see the argument in favor of having the descriptions on character pages under the alt costume section. Especially for brevity when we're going to have to cram all 63+ characters' alt costumes' description into one page. Unknown the Hedgehog 03:41, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

To be honest, I never understood why that information couldn't be shared between the fighter and alternate costume articles, and I fully support moving costume details to their respective character pages, but I was never in a position to suggest that change. I don't make the rules. I just try to follow them. Nintendo101 (talk) 03:46, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

I think a couple of problems that arise when the information is on both articles is trying to make sure that the information is consistent between the two articles, and that information being added between the two articles is accurate, which was already a headache for just one article back when Smash 4 came out (afterall, the SSB4 alt costume article has the most revisions out of any article here, 2,441, and it's only going to be worse with Ultimate). Unknown the Hedgehog 08:56, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

Regarding the Pokemon Trainer's Attribute and Changes sections

So there's one issue which I've noticed when keeping an attribute and changes section on both this page and each separate Pokemon's page: people tend to edit this one but not the actual Pokemon's pages, and it ends up having completely different or outdated information on the Pokemon Trainer's page, or the Pokemon themselves.

Could we get to a consensus about this? Preferably I'd just place all the Pokemon's attribute and attack changes on their pages, while keeping this page solely for changes that affect either the Trainer's aesthetics, or mechanics that affect all Pokemon (eg. the removal of Stamina). This will remove the necessity of editing two pages at once to make sure they always have the same info. Archrelico (talk) 00:11, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

The return of Type Advantages?

Ridley's Final Smash was cited to deal around 40%, yet when used on Ivysaur in this clip: https://youtu.be/WpPWksfNlwA?t=2m13s , it seems to do a whopping 66%, far larger than what was assumed. Assuming his final smash does fire damage, does this mean that Type Advantages have returned, or made even worse due to effecting damage percentages rather than knockback? ~~

I think it's far too early to make that sort of assumption, especially since "official info" regarding attack percentages seem to be all over the place right now. Ridley's down special is one of those: I've seen it do 49%, but also far smaller numbers. (Signing a post requires four tildes, by the way.) Archrelico (talk) 00:46, 21 June 2018 (EDT)