Talk:Helpless
I put Kirby and Ike on the list because they still retain the hitbox after their up-b. Why was it deleted? A1lion835 (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)A1lion835
- Because they don't go Helpless. They retain their hitbox, it's totally different. - Gargomon251 (talk) 20:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
why are you deleting Thunder from the list?? Majorabrawl (talk) 04:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
- Thunder doesn't cause Helpless. - Gargomon251 (talk) 20:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Quote from article: "While helpless, characters cannot perform any action except fast-falling."
I believe Kirby and Ike can perform actions other than fast falling (AKA spiking, dealing damage). That would mean they do not go into a fully helpless state. A1lion835 (talk) 22:01, 13 November 2008 (UTC)A1lion835
Shouldn't Mario's image be on a black background as well, for consistency? Like this. Yeah, I'm too lazy to register and upload it here And while we're at it, why are two of the images of Fox, and one of Mairo. Should they all be the same, or all be different? 24.74.45.188 15:19, 19 December 2010 (EST)
Helpless Air speeds
This doesn't look right, I never heard of "helpless air speed" being a thing, and the listed values don't look concrete at all. Can someone (Toomai?) verify if this is legit information or just bullshit someone added? Omega Tyrant 
23:42, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
- That list has several problems; most importantly the numbers are meaningless. Junking it. Toomai Glittershine
The Indescribable 00:08, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
Helplessness
Shouldn't this be helplessness, to agree with the MoS? PikaSamus (talk) 
10:02, 10 September 2014 (EDT)
Melee Air Grabs
Maybe I just missed it, but Melee's Air Grab attacks cause helplessness if they miss the ledge (Link, Y. Link, Samus) Also, what is the most common term for that? Is it "Wall Grapple"? Serpent King (talk) 04:39, 18 March 2015 (EDT)
Regarding Trivia
Shouldn't some of that trivia be actually listed on the article itself? I don't see a reason for some of it to be trivia if it is slightly vital information, but not so useless to be trivia. F0rZ3r0F0r 17:43, 10 April 2015 (EDT)
- Agreed. Meanwhile, some seem too character-specific. Berrenta (talk) 16:01, 13 May 2015 (EDT)
- True, true. I feel like such a thing should be somewhere else then, maybe their own page? F0rZ3r0F0r (talk) 22:22, 15 June 2015 (EDT)
