Talk:Yuri Kozukata

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Different endings[edit]

This sentence "In the good ending, she lifts a curse from the main antagonist of the story, Ouse Kurosawa, and ends up on a warm beach with Hisoka Kurosawa, while in the bad ending, she jumps off a cliff along with Ouse" is one I believe shouldn't be in Yuri's Origin. I have already given multiple reasons as to why it should be removed: It does not explain anything about Yuri's personality, it's merely just an unnecessary detail partily because her desicions are based on the player's actions meaning her "death" isn't pure canon. While she may die in the bad end, she only chooses that path because the player failed to achieve a certain goal. This is the same for every bad ending in a video game with multiple endings such as Fatal Frame. Because she cannot control her actions to prevent a bad end, it cannot be stated that she died because she was x and y. In other words, it's the player that chooses the endings, not Yuri herself. Stating what Yuri does because of a player's certain action shouldn't really go under "Origin" in the first place as that's not an origin. An "Origin" sections should state who the character is, why thyey do what they do, and how are they important.

This leads to my second reason that this statement bears no relevance to Smash Bros. at all. We already have the who, what, why, and how, there's nothing else that needs to be added. All we really need is that Yuri is a 19 year old who who gained the ability to sense ghosts and learned how to exorcise them with her camera. Her camera is really the most important thing here as the context as to why it works the way it does in Ultimate needs to be explained. We already have that. We don't need to include the different endings in Black Water do we? I don't see how that bears any relevance at all. Take a look at every other Assist's Origin. All of them explain some detail about what the character does in their own game and how many elements of said game are incorporated into Smash Bros. Some are short and straight to the point like Ashley and Chain Chomp. Others explain the character's development throughout the series like Black Knight and Alucard, although Alucard's origin is WAY TOO detailed compared to others. A good example of an Origin section is Mother Brain. It explains what she is, what she does, and how her move set is incorporated into Smash Bros. It's short, straight to the point, and it's what people want to read. Nobody really wants to learn a history lesson about how Alucard had to deal with his father. We're a Smash Bros. wiki, not a crossover wiki, we don't need to explain everything about a character's origin, just the necessary parts that made it into Smash Bros. Therefore, stating a character's "possible death" that has nothing to do with Smash Bros. isn't necessary. Besides, that's the opposite of an Origin. We're not here to tell the whole story about why a character is this way, just a brief summary. AceFedora (talk) 03:38, 23 January 2019 (EST)

I agree with this. The sentence is irrelevant to Smash and should be removed. Does the main antagonist appear at all or have any reference in Smash? No. Do the beach or the cliff? No. It doesn't belong, and the fact that SmashWiki is not spoiler-safe is not a factor.
As a side note, the edits on the page by three parties (AceFedora, IP 99.203.11.237, and IP 184.181.102.188) violate SW:1RV. Just make sure to bring it to the talk page after the first revert, next time. Dr. HyperCake (talk) 04:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)
If you want to know who added that in the first place, it was me, and I did it because I had absolutely no knowledge of the series, and needed something for the origins section. However, I do agree that we should remove it from her origins section because it doesn't relate to her appearance at all (heck I don't think she's even killable in the game). From what I saw in the page history, the reason your edits are being reverted is because you're edit warring on the page. SugarCookie420 (talk) 09:51, 23 January 2019 (EST)
Yeah, I gotcha. Revert once and all that. I read the rules, don't worry, I won't break anything again. So does this mean we can take it down now? I also want to apply this principle to Alucard's Origin if that's fine. Actually, with every Assist's Origin. Just need a thumbs up before I go do that. AceFedora (talk) 23:25, 27 January 2019 (EST)
It'd be fine to remove at this point, as it's been several days without any objections. If anyone does object after the fact, they can do so in this discussion.
Regarding other pages: if you think there's content that has no relevance to Smash, you can remove it with an edit summary saying so. If someone disagrees and reverts, then you can point out on the talk page (or their talk page) why you think it should be removed in more detail, much like you've done here. Dr. HyperCake (talk) 19:43, 30 January 2019 (EST)

I think our pages on the Xenoblade characters are a good example here: only the information necessary to cover how much of the character appears in Smash Bros. We don't hide the necessary spoilers, but we don't hand out the unnecessary ones. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Jiggy 19:48, 30 January 2019 (EST)

Understood. I'll be sure to bring it to the talk page the first revert this time. AceFedora (talk) 22:40, 2 February 2019 (EST)