Talk:Peach Blossom

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deletion[edit]

unless valid sources with solid proof are listed, this article will be taken as pure speculation and deleted. FyreNWater - (TalkContributions ) 01:15, October 13, 2007 (EDT)

The name is conjectural, but the Final Smash is real. See this video. -Thores 01:21, October 13, 2007 (EDT)
I only named it Kiss Of Love because of the video reference, Gamepro doesn't work on my computer and assumed they named it that on the actual site where the video is from.[[DeltaWolf]]
I agree, looks pretty legit. I'm removing the deletion until proven otherwise. If the final smash is named something else, we can always redir. --Janitor 11:19, October 13, 2007 (EDT)
seemed absurd, but the video is legit. please include proof and sources with news. i cannot stop stressing how important evidence is. FyreNWater - (TalkContributions ) 18:05, October 13, 2007 (EDT)
Well, I'm putting the deletion tag back up. It's frustrating that there's so many people just hanging around on the internet thinking they can just name things and fighting to be the first to create new articles. It's pointless and selfish. Have a little patience and try pursuing other, more lucrative avenues of fame and fortune. -- RJM Talk 13:43, October 14, 2007 (EDT)

There will be no official name until Peach's Final Smash is officially revealed on the DOJO!!; it's just that simple. I agree that some people do use the wiki to boost their egos by being the first to post some information. But this is a legitimate piece of information, as revealed by hands-on gameplay and reinforced by quantitative video proof. Therefore, the article should stand, nameless or otherwise. Aeris 14:25, October 14, 2007 (EDT)

Article name[edit]

Why don't we just rename it "Peach's Final Smash"? It sounds generic, sure, but until we know its real name, it's a suitable placeholder. WarxePB 17:24, October 14, 2007 (EDT)

works for me. i'll move it, unless someone has some good reason why it should stay. FyreNWater - (TalkContributions ) 17:50, October 14, 2007 (EDT)
Not really, except that it's kind of boring and we've never had a problem with conjectural names before. But sure, go ahead. -Thores 18:04, October 14, 2007 (EDT)
done and done. boringness aside, it's more formal. FyreNWater - (TalkContributions ) 22:48, October 14, 2007 (EDT)
Yeah well your MOM is more formal! I mean thank you. -Thores 22:51, October 14, 2007 (EDT)

There[edit]

Official name is "Peach Blossom". Not the name I would have chosen, but it's an official name nonetheless. WarxePB 03:15, October 19, 2007

Cleaned Up[edit]

I did some renovations here, like how only opponent within those swarms of hearts around her auctually take damage. Also, aerial foes are unaffected, as shown by Pit in this video at around 2:42. I have also never seen where it says they take 30% damage.--Oxico 08:02, December 17, 2007 (EST) Nevermind I rewatched the video and the enemies did take 30% damage no matter what so I fixed that. The aerial foes thing still stands however.--Oxico 08:05, December 17, 2007 (EST)

Doesn't halt stage movement- can be used to KO[edit]

I saw a video.. wish I could remember where, but I saw a video- it showed that Peach Blossom doesn't halt stage movement. It had it used on Mushroomy Kingdom, and they fell asleep, scrolled off the stage, and died. The same is probably true with other scrolly stages Webrunner 11:37, February 13, 2008 (EST)

Stage-Wide or Focused?[edit]

There are some decently good arguments for both sides of this debate:

  • Arguments for Stage-Wide:
    • It affects the entire stage; there is no range at which a target is unaffected.
    • Peaches appear across the entire stage.
    • The primary effect is the stage-wide sleep, with the damage from being nearby is secondary.
  • Arguments for Focused:
    • The primary effect is the damage from being nearby, with the stage-wide sleep is secondary.
    • The sleep time is dependant on distance to Peach.
    • Characters that are not grounded are immune to the sleep.

Now, as I defined the categories, a Stage-Wide FS is one that leaves no hiding spots, and a Focused one is one that can be avoided by escaping the move's range. If one were to interpret these to the letter, then this FS is in limbo - it has hiding spots (the air, ladders, etc), but no finite range.

My vote goes to Stage-Wide. It shouldn't matter too much which effect is primary or secondary; the fact is (unless you're a floaty/multijumper) you cannot escape the entire move (barring ladders, which are rather rare). Toomai Glittershine The Table Designer cntrbs 12:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd say it's stage-wide as well because the sleep and peaches are stage-wide effects. This is clearly different from the focused Negative Zone, which can be completely escaped on large enough stages by simply being far enough away. Miles (talk) 13:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Every other Final Smash falls neatly into one, and only one, of the current categories, and all the Final Smashes in each category have very similar effects. Peach Blossom falls neatly into none of the categories, and there are no Final Smashes with similar effects (with the possible exception of Negative Zone, but even that's significantly different). I think calling it Special would cover it, and it would be far more accurate than either of Stage-Wide or Focused. PenguinofDeath 13:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Part of how I designed the category system was to avoid any Final Smashes having their own category. In addition, each category name is indicative of the Final Smash's target zone - "Special" is useless in that way. Mabye the term "Grounded" would work, but again, having an entire category for one Final Smash is something I'd like to avoid severely.
Perhaps the simplest thing to do would be to categorize it as both Stage-Wide and Focused. It's messy, and it is definately not the best solution, but people would understand it. Toomai Glittershine The Table Designer cntrbs 17:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
If you don't want to introduce new categories:
You could class it as Focused and say in the article that it's often mistaken for being a Stage-Wide Final Smash, but actually it just happens to be the case that, even though it's a Focused Final Smash, its range is large enough to cover the whole of any stage from any point.
OR
You could class it as Stage-Wide and say in the article that it's often mistaken for being a Focused Final Smash, but actually it just happens to be the case that, even though it's a Stage-Wide Final Smash, the effects are less severe the further the player is from Peach.
Pick whichever one you agree with most. Or neither. If worded something like that, I wouldn't mind either one. PenguinofDeath 18:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)