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Old discussion[edit]

Boy, Nintendo really screwed up accidentally confirming 3 characters to appear in Brawl, huh? I knew Ness and Jigglypuff were in, but Lucario is incredible! How could Nintendo not notice this? I'm not complaining, though, because we now have 28 characters confirmed to appear in Brawl. DevonS 16:15, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, so what is the actual name of Lucario's final smash? Is it Psybeam or Hyper Beam? We have conflicting information here that needs to be resolved. JoePlay (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, at this point im about 70% sure that Lucario's Final Smash is actually called Flash Cannon. Hyper Beam appears more as an orange color, while Flash Cannon is consistant of a white/blue color, the color that shows up in his Final Smash. On top of that, according to the National Pokédex Book for Diamond/Pearl, Lucario cannot learn Psybeam, and moves called Aurastorm and Aura Beam do NOT exist. However, Lucario can learn Flash Cannon and Hyper Beam. Also, if the Final Smash was called Hyper Beam, it would make a bit more sense that it would act like it does in the Pokémon video game, and exhaust Lucario for a time period. Besides that, Hyper Beam is a generic move that can be learned by most Pokémon.

All of this is my own opinion, based of my preexisting knowledge of the Pokémon anime series and video game franchise. For all I know, I could be wrong. I'd recommend that we refrain from putting anything down as Lucario's Final Smash until Lucario is posted on the Smash Bros. DOJO!!, from making us look foolish.

Yea. I care that much. :)

HalcyonSix 16:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

  • I agree, we should wait for Dojo for official confirmation. Bonko24 20:07, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

OK. I'm starting to get a little pissed here. I stated DIRECTLY BELOW the special moves template that "The special moves posted have NOT been officially confirmed. Until Lucario is announced on the Smash Bros. website, please do NOT alter Lucario's special moves template in ANY way" and anonymous users keep changing them. If an administrator sees this, can you please semi-protect Lucario's page to stop this?

HalcyonSix 21:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Not GameGAQS[edit]

I agree that pages like this should not exist; as a Smash Bros. Wiki, the site should only cover characters and properties that have appeared or at least even mentioned thus far in the Smash Bros. series. While Lucario may possibly be a new playable character, it has not been seen anywhere in Smashdom yet, so it gets no article. What I do think, however, is that every single little thing that has appeared in Smash Bros. games should be covered. I think every one of the 30 F-Zero X racers should get their own articles (though a merged article might be preferred, but I can't be positive) because all of their racing machines have appeared in both Melee stages and trophies, while there are actually a lot of other species of Pokemon that have been seen in Smash Bros. but aren't famous because they don't come out of Poke Balls; examples of these include the Geodude and Seel balloons in Poke-Floats, and in Melee's opening FMV a lot of otherwise unseen Pokemon such as Gligar, Slowbro, and Krabby are seen. Because each of these Pokemon are officially recognized video game characters who have made some sort of appearance in a Smash Bros. game, each of these should get their own articles IMO. Likewise, since Lucario has not appeared once in a Smash Bros. game yet, it should not have its own page, but if it does make an appearance later, it will have its own page.

People agree with me, right? Erik the Appreciator 22:13, May 5, 2007 (GMT)

Yes this is exactly the way it is now. If the wiki had more people helping we whould probably have all those articles. Although merging whould be the best way such as all the floats on the actual stages page. CircleTakesTheSquare 22:55, May 5, 2007 (GMT)

Picture or Link[edit]

Can we get a picture or a link to the leak on the released covers. Like I did to the Krystal article, I'm going to go ahead and redirect this page to the Pokemon universe until he is confirmed, since there's hardly any administrators that come by.

He IS confirmed, so don't redirect this: (TalkEdits) 07:58, January 29, 2008 (EST)

Gender References[edit]

I suppose it is good to be consistent, and I won't edit the articles, but I really think this Lucario to be male. His "voice" is masculine (not just voice ACTOR, mind you, as Pikachu, widely considered to be male, is voiced by a woman, as well as Ash himself, among others), and even the Cresselia trophy, which mentions they are always female, still refuses to use gender-specific pronouns, so you can't really judge by that. Plus most Pokemon trophies are about the species in general, not a specific member. - Gargomon251 07:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Then why did you jump all over me about Jigglypuff? Jigglypuff has a feminine voice. huntercrunch

About as feminine as Pikachu's. We're not talking Gardevoir here. Jigglypuff's voice is too high...or really be sure. Maybe it's the timbre or some term, but it just doesn't sound like a normal person so it's hard to judge. Compare Munchlax. And for the record, I'm not changing anything, so don't get carried away. - Gargomon251 07:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

One thing to consider is Jiggly's Japanese voice. I'm sure they're both the same characters, but the "highness" of her voice is the result of 4kid's terrible VAs -_- huntercrunch

Well from my experience, "Purin" didn't sound much different, but that's beside the point. We're not talking about that.- Gargomon251 07:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

While I respect your opinions, I think the best choice on this matter is to wait until Nintindo or a strategy guide confirms the Pokemon(s) genders. huntercrunch

The Codec conversations have Mei Ling referring to Lucario as male. Does that prove it? Supportmage 18:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Aparently Carbonkirby (did I get that right?) disagrees. And by the way, Lucario is not rare or ledgendary!! 02:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

You need to calm down. I just looked it on pokemon wiki and they even refer to lucario as an it, i'd call it a guy but i don't make the rules around here. Carbonkirby 02:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Okay. I thought you were one of those guys who is unable to change his thoughts on anything. Sorry. 02:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The fact is, Lucario simply cannot be considered "he" because Pokémon don't have genders. Granted, they can have sexes, but do keep in mind that gender and sex are not necessarily the same. By definition, "sex" refers to physical aspects (i.e. reproductive organs), "gender" is how one is interpreted by society. Nintendo's official stance is Pokémon do not have genders no matter what their sexes may be. I know, Snake's Codec calls Lucario a "he". It actually also calls Lucario a "he" in the description for Event 25 as well. I honestly think those were mistakes that were overlooked in the rush to get the game out in time. I suspect they'll be changed to "it" for the PAL versions. Besides, even if the particular Lucario in Brawl is a "he", it still doesn't belong on this page because this article is about Lucario in general, not the one in Brawl anyway.--Bman87301 03:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I thought the main reasons pokemon were called "it" were:
  • Some pokemon have no sexual dimorphism (almost all of them before DP.)
  • It's easier to say "it" for fill-in-the-blanks type functions in the game, such as the pokemon fan clubs etc.
  • The pokemon in Smash are supposed to represent a species, not any specific pokemon. Sort of like how "Pokemon Trainer" doesn't have a given name.
- Gargomon251 04:04, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

With the exception of maybe the last one (the Lucario in Brawl is almost certainly meant to represent the one from the movie), those reasons most likely are why Nintendo ultimately chose their gender-neutrality policy for the franchise. Regardless of the reasons, it is their official stance nevertheless. With the exception of the two instances in Brawl, all official Nintendo materials (such as their strategy guides and the Smash Bros. DOJO!! site) continue to refer to Lucario (and all other Pokémon) as "it". In order to stay consistent and professional-looking we have to refer to them the same way (no matter how ridiculous it may be at times). --Bman87301 14:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

So this arguement is over right? Pokemon are its here despite what the sound or act like. I'm all for Lucario being called a guy but again I don't make the rules here, and honestly this isn't really worth the commontion it is causing. Carbonkirby 15:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. This has clearly been settled. There's no need for further discussion on the subject, especially on this page since it's about the Lucario species and not Lucario (SSBB), whose gender dispute sparked this debate in the first place anyways. --Bman87301 16:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Trivia Section[edit]

"Lucario is the most recently-debuted character in the Super Smash Bros series."

Can you add more information about this? 123JamesHeart PatheticStickFigure.jpg 02:13, 1 February 2012 (EST)

What more is there to add? Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 02:20, 1 February 2012 (EST)
I see now that it was just the way it was worded that threw me off; I guess I'm not used to thinking of the word "debuted" as meaning "revealed." Sorry about this. 123JamesHeart PatheticStickFigure.jpg 02:46, 1 February 2012 (EST)
I agree with Omega Tyrant (talkcontribslogs), what more trivia can we added? There is like no more information about it. (Smashworker101 (talk) 20:58, 17 November 2014 (EST))
Don't reply to 2-year-old discussions. Rtzxy Reflect.jpg Reflect! 21:04, 17 November 2014 (EST)

Sword and Shield[edit]

The bit in trivia about Lucario's inclusion in Sword and Shield is actually not that notable, as Squirtle, Ivysaur, Mewtwo, and Incineroar are found in the game's coding and could still be transferred via Pokemon HOME or obtained in Max Raid Battles. This makes Jigglypuff and Greninja the only ones to not appear in the base game. ( 21:07, June 9, 2020 (EDT))