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==In [[competitive play]]==
==In [[competitive play]]==
===Tier placement and history===
The Ice Climbers were once a middle to low-middle tiered character, as in the beginning of ''Melee'', professionals did not discover their powerful grounded presence and threatening [[wobbling]] techniques, as their flaws, such as their poor aerial approach and difficulty in maintaining both climbers, were highlighted more often. With the discovery of the Ice Climbers' [[desynching]] combos and wobbling, more players advocated for their potential, showcased in {{Sm|ChuDat}}, {{Sm|Wobbles}} and {{Sm|Fly Amanita}}’s discoveries. {{Sm|Wobbles}}'s second place finish at [[EVO 2013]] with the Ice Climbers did not change their tier position but finally pushed them into the S tier, where they are at last recognized as a viable character for tournaments alongside the top tiered characters. With the release of the twelfth tier list, they moved up one spot, above {{SSBM|Captain Falcon}}, for the first time. In the thirteenth tier list, the Ice Climbers are ranked 8th, however this placement was determined with the assumption that wobbling is not banned; their viability without wobbling allowed is yet to be assessed. Also, the major advancements for other characters like {{SSBM|Marth}} and {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}} have indirectly worsened the potency of the Ice Climbers due to the increasing gap in potential, especially after the ban on wobbling.
===Wobbling Controversy===
{{main|Wobbling}}
Wobbling is an advanced technique exclusive to Ice Climbers in ''Melee'' where desyncing the pair, grabbing an opponent, then slightly tilting the control stick forward or down and mashing the attack button at exactly 200 bpm will create an infinite combo that the opponent cannot escape from. This is possible due to the opponent being alternately pummeled and hit with a tilt attack to reset the escape mashing. Techniques with similar effects exist in future installments, but they have different activation prerequisites and are harder to execute. The name was coined by {{Sm|Ken}} after seeing fellow smasher {{Sm|Wobbles}} place 9th in [[NCT2]] after discovering the technique from Japanese tutorial videos online and using it extensively in the tournament. "Wobbler" is a slang term used to refer to an Ice Climbers player who relies heavily on landing a grab to wobble their opponent.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/NintendudeSSB/status/1318601754662100993|title=Nintendude's "wobbler" tweet}}</ref>
The technique has been controversial since its inception due to its relative ease of use and low risk, high reward nature that would bring whole games to a halt and upset competitors and spectators alike. However, the early ''Melee'' communities were more scattered, with every tournament having their own stance on wobbling; some tournaments allowed the technique, while others banned it. Following {{Trn|EVO 2013}} (where wobbling was legal), and competitive ''Melee''{{'}}s ensuing resurgance in mainstream popularity, tournament rulesets generally became more unified, and as a result, wobbling was legal at nearly all tournaments from 2013 to the beginning of 2019. {{Sm|Juggleguy}} was well-known as a fierce opposer of legalizing wobbling, and he banned it at his events in [[Michigan]], including [[The Big House]]. He eventually decided to allow wobbling at his events, arguing that Michigan smashers needed practice fighting against the technique should they choose to compete in other regions.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/35ubx5/juggleguy_unbans_wobbling/|title=Juggleguy unbans wobbling}}</ref>
In 2018, around the time of the release of ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'', the discussion regarding wobbling started to grow again, and more and more ''Melee'' community members began to support a wobbling ban, beginning to outnumber those that opposed a ban for the first time. The "[[Platinum Age]]" saw an increasing amount of top-level Ice Climbers mains using wobbling to make deep bracket runs at major tournaments, including {{Sm|ChuDat}}, {{Sm|Nintendude}}, {{Sm|dizzkidboogie}}, {{Sm|InfiniteNumbers}}, {{Sm|Bananas}}, and {{Sm|ARMY}}, upsetting many players on their way. As wobbling's presence in ''Melee'' grew, many players were concerned about the long-term health of the game, arguing that the unpopularity of wobbling would both discourage players from competing and turn away spectators at major tournaments; top players were known to often grow extremely frustrated when fighting the Ice Climbers.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpKUSHZBREM|title=Top 10 Salty Ice Climber Moments in Smash}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJU-f2R3N5s|title=dizzkidboogie (ICs) vs. ALG.EMG | n0ne (Falcon) | SSBM LT12 | DPG}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/n0ned/status/810682962584813568|title=n0ne's tweet after his set vs. dizzkidboogie}}</ref> Many top players, including {{Sm|Axe}} and {{Sm|n0ne}}, openly supported a wobbling ban.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/aogqif/axe_wobbling_needs_to_be_banned_ive_said_this_for/|title=reddit post on Axe's tweet supporting a wobbling ban}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/amh57j/nones_opinion_on_ice_climbers_wobbling_and_i_agree/|title=reddit post on n0ne's tweet supporting a wobbling ban}}</ref>
In early 2019, the pro-ban movement gradually began to take off as local and regional tournament scenes began banning wobbling at their events. On February 8th, 2019, the Tennessee Smash Community made a reddit post announcing that wobbling would be banned at tournaments in several Tennessee cities. The official ruleset limited the Ice Climbers, upon grabbing the opponent, to eight separate attacks before regrabbing; violating these rules would result in a warning, game loss, or set loss at the tournament organizer's discretion.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/aohjcq/tennessee_wobbling_ban_official_post/|title=Tennessee Wobbling Ban: Official Post}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/anz3xs/wobbling_has_been_banned_in_tennessee_we_hope/|title=Wobbling has been banned in Tennessee. We hope many more will follow suit}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://tempostorm.com/articles/wobbling-issue-recap|title=The Wobbling Issue: A Recap}}</ref> As news of the ban spread around the ''Melee'' community, other regions began announcing their own bans of various degrees, including Georgia,<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/dow3qt/georgia_bans_wobbling/|title=Georgia Bans Wobbling}}</ref> [[Maryland/Virginia]],<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/aug2fu/mdva_votes_on_wobbling_ban_implementation/|title=MD/VA Votes on Wobbling Ban Implementation}}</ref> Mississippi,<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/av7r8m/mississippi_partially_bans_wobbling/|title=Mississippi partially bans wobbling}}</ref> Chicago,<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/cyxike/chicago_has_banned_wobbling_explanation_in/|title=Chicago has banned wobbling (Explanation in comments)}}</ref> and the United Kingdom.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/fej41p/wobbling_has_been_banned_in_the_united_kingdom/|title=Wobbling has been banned in the United Kingdom}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/aq38wo/usa_wobble_map/|title=USA Wobble Map}}</ref>
{{Trn|Get On My Level 2019}} was the first major to officially announce a wobbling ban.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/aqphih/goml_2019_becomes_first_major_tournament_to_ban/|title=GOML 2019 becomes first major tournament to ban wobbling.}}</ref> Throughout 2019 and 2020, various majors announced their own bans of the technique, including {{Trn|Low Tier City 7}},<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/brvvyg/wobbling_will_be_banned_at_ltc7/|title=Wobbling will be banned at LTC7!}}</ref> {{Trn|The Big House 9}},<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/cq1zvw/wobbling_banned_at_tbh9/|title=Wobbling banned at TBH9}}</ref> [[Tournament:Pound Online|Pound 2020]],<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/ew8p1w/wobbling_is_banned_at_pound_2020/|title=Wobbling is banned at Pound 2020}}</ref> and {{Trn|Smash World Tour}}.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/fcilar/smash_world_tour_bans_wobbling/|title=Smash World Tour Bans Wobbling}}</ref> Today, wobbling is banned at most tournaments, although some smaller events may choose to legalize the technique at their own discretion.
===Most historically significant players===
===Most historically significant players===
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*{{Sm|SluG|USA}} - Considered the best Ice Climbers main since the widespread wobbling ban in 2019. Known for defeating multiple top ten players throughout 2022, including {{Sm|Zain}} and {{Sm|Mang0}}, and for his 4th place finish at the {{Trn|Ludwig Smash Invitational}}. His 9th place ranking on the [[SSBMRank 2022]] was the highest global ranking for an Ice Climbers player since Wobbles in 2013, and the highest for a non-wobbling Ice Climbers main since 2011.
*{{Sm|SluG|USA}} - Considered the best Ice Climbers main since the widespread wobbling ban in 2019. Known for defeating multiple top ten players throughout 2022, including {{Sm|Zain}} and {{Sm|Mang0}}, and for his 4th place finish at the {{Trn|Ludwig Smash Invitational}}. His 9th place ranking on the [[SSBMRank 2022]] was the highest global ranking for an Ice Climbers player since Wobbles in 2013, and the highest for a non-wobbling Ice Climbers main since 2011.
*{{Sm|Wobbles|USA}} - Once known as the best solo Ice Climbers main and helped to popularize the term "wobbling". His 2nd place finish at {{Trn|EVO 2013}} (defeating {{Sm|Mang0}}, {{Sm|PPMD}}, and {{Sm|Hungrybox}}) is considered the Ice Climbers' best tournament performance of all time. In addition, his 8th place on the [[SSBMRank 2013]] is the highest ranking for an Ice Climbers player since the start of global rankings in 2013.
*{{Sm|Wobbles|USA}} - Once known as the best solo Ice Climbers main and helped to popularize the term "wobbling". His 2nd place finish at {{Trn|EVO 2013}} (defeating {{Sm|Mang0}}, {{Sm|PPMD}}, and {{Sm|Hungrybox}}) is considered the Ice Climbers' best tournament performance of all time. In addition, his 8th place on the [[SSBMRank 2013]] is the highest ranking for an Ice Climbers player since the start of global rankings in 2013.
===Tier placement and history===
The Ice Climbers were once a middle to low-middle tiered character, as in the beginning of ''Melee'', professionals did not discover their powerful grounded presence and threatening [[wobbling]] techniques, as their flaws, such as their poor aerial approach and difficulty in maintaining both climbers, were highlighted more often. With the discovery of the Ice Climbers' [[desynching]] combos and wobbling, more players advocated for their potential, showcased in {{Sm|ChuDat}}, {{Sm|Wobbles}} and {{Sm|Fly Amanita}}’s discoveries. {{Sm|Wobbles}}'s second place finish at [[EVO 2013]] with the Ice Climbers did not change their tier position but finally pushed them into the S tier, where they are at last recognized as a viable character for tournaments alongside the top tiered characters. With the release of the twelfth tier list, they moved up one spot, above {{SSBM|Captain Falcon}}, for the first time. In the thirteenth tier list, the Ice Climbers are ranked 8th, however this placement was determined with the assumption that wobbling is not banned; their viability without wobbling allowed is yet to be assessed. Also, the major advancements for other characters like {{SSBM|Marth}} and {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}} have indirectly worsened the potency of the Ice Climbers due to the increasing gap in potential, especially after the ban on wobbling.
===Wobbling Controversy===
{{main|Wobbling}}
Wobbling is an advanced technique exclusive to Ice Climbers in ''Melee'' where desyncing the pair, grabbing an opponent, then slightly tilting the control stick forward or down and mashing the attack button at exactly 200 bpm will create an infinite combo that the opponent cannot escape from. This is possible due to the opponent being alternately pummeled and hit with a tilt attack to reset the escape mashing. Techniques with similar effects exist in future installments, but they have different activation prerequisites and are harder to execute. The name was coined by {{Sm|Ken}} after seeing fellow smasher {{Sm|Wobbles}} place 9th in [[NCT2]] after discovering the technique from Japanese tutorial videos online and using it extensively in the tournament. "Wobbler" is a slang term used to refer to an Ice Climbers player who relies heavily on landing a grab to wobble their opponent.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/NintendudeSSB/status/1318601754662100993|title=Nintendude's "wobbler" tweet}}</ref>
The technique has been controversial since its inception due to its relative ease of use and low risk, high reward nature that would bring whole games to a halt and upset competitors and spectators alike. However, the early ''Melee'' communities were more scattered, with every tournament having their own stance on wobbling; some tournaments allowed the technique, while others banned it. Following {{Trn|EVO 2013}} (where wobbling was legal), and competitive ''Melee''{{'}}s ensuing resurgance in mainstream popularity, tournament rulesets generally became more unified, and as a result, wobbling was legal at nearly all tournaments from 2013 to the beginning of 2019. {{Sm|Juggleguy}} was well-known as a fierce opposer of legalizing wobbling, and he banned it at his events in [[Michigan]], including [[The Big House]]. He eventually decided to allow wobbling at his events, arguing that Michigan smashers needed practice fighting against the technique should they choose to compete in other regions.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/35ubx5/juggleguy_unbans_wobbling/|title=Juggleguy unbans wobbling}}</ref>
In 2018, around the time of the release of ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'', the discussion regarding wobbling started to grow again, and more and more ''Melee'' community members began to support a wobbling ban, beginning to outnumber those that opposed a ban for the first time. The "[[Platinum Age]]" saw an increasing amount of top-level Ice Climbers mains using wobbling to make deep bracket runs at major tournaments, including {{Sm|ChuDat}}, {{Sm|Nintendude}}, {{Sm|dizzkidboogie}}, {{Sm|InfiniteNumbers}}, {{Sm|Bananas}}, and {{Sm|ARMY}}, upsetting many players on their way. As wobbling's presence in ''Melee'' grew, many players were concerned about the long-term health of the game, arguing that the unpopularity of wobbling would both discourage players from competing and turn away spectators at major tournaments; top players were known to often grow extremely frustrated when fighting the Ice Climbers.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpKUSHZBREM|title=Top 10 Salty Ice Climber Moments in Smash}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJU-f2R3N5s|title=dizzkidboogie (ICs) vs. ALG.EMG | n0ne (Falcon) | SSBM LT12 | DPG}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/n0ned/status/810682962584813568|title=n0ne's tweet after his set vs. dizzkidboogie}}</ref> Many top players, including {{Sm|Axe}} and {{Sm|n0ne}}, openly supported a wobbling ban.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/aogqif/axe_wobbling_needs_to_be_banned_ive_said_this_for/|title=reddit post on Axe's tweet supporting a wobbling ban}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/amh57j/nones_opinion_on_ice_climbers_wobbling_and_i_agree/|title=reddit post on n0ne's tweet supporting a wobbling ban}}</ref>
In early 2019, the pro-ban movement gradually began to take off as local and regional tournament scenes began banning wobbling at their events. On February 8th, 2019, the Tennessee Smash Community made a reddit post announcing that wobbling would be banned at tournaments in several Tennessee cities. The official ruleset limited the Ice Climbers, upon grabbing the opponent, to eight separate attacks before regrabbing; violating these rules would result in a warning, game loss, or set loss at the tournament organizer's discretion.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/aohjcq/tennessee_wobbling_ban_official_post/|title=Tennessee Wobbling Ban: Official Post}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/anz3xs/wobbling_has_been_banned_in_tennessee_we_hope/|title=Wobbling has been banned in Tennessee. We hope many more will follow suit}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://tempostorm.com/articles/wobbling-issue-recap|title=The Wobbling Issue: A Recap}}</ref> As news of the ban spread around the ''Melee'' community, other regions began announcing their own bans of various degrees, including Georgia,<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/dow3qt/georgia_bans_wobbling/|title=Georgia Bans Wobbling}}</ref> [[Maryland/Virginia]],<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/aug2fu/mdva_votes_on_wobbling_ban_implementation/|title=MD/VA Votes on Wobbling Ban Implementation}}</ref> Mississippi,<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/av7r8m/mississippi_partially_bans_wobbling/|title=Mississippi partially bans wobbling}}</ref> Chicago,<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/cyxike/chicago_has_banned_wobbling_explanation_in/|title=Chicago has banned wobbling (Explanation in comments)}}</ref> and the United Kingdom.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/fej41p/wobbling_has_been_banned_in_the_united_kingdom/|title=Wobbling has been banned in the United Kingdom}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/aq38wo/usa_wobble_map/|title=USA Wobble Map}}</ref>
{{Trn|Get On My Level 2019}} was the first major to officially announce a wobbling ban.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/aqphih/goml_2019_becomes_first_major_tournament_to_ban/|title=GOML 2019 becomes first major tournament to ban wobbling.}}</ref> Throughout 2019 and 2020, various majors announced their own bans of the technique, including {{Trn|Low Tier City 7}},<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/brvvyg/wobbling_will_be_banned_at_ltc7/|title=Wobbling will be banned at LTC7!}}</ref> {{Trn|The Big House 9}},<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/cq1zvw/wobbling_banned_at_tbh9/|title=Wobbling banned at TBH9}}</ref> [[Tournament:Pound Online|Pound 2020]],<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/ew8p1w/wobbling_is_banned_at_pound_2020/|title=Wobbling is banned at Pound 2020}}</ref> and {{Trn|Smash World Tour}}.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/fcilar/smash_world_tour_bans_wobbling/|title=Smash World Tour Bans Wobbling}}</ref> Today, wobbling is banned at most tournaments, although some smaller events may choose to legalize the technique at their own discretion.


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