User talk:Miles of SmashWiki/To-do list

Character pages

Here's my opinion on your character page list.

Boo. This is debatable, but I'll agree with this due to it appearing as an item (though in Smash Tour only).
Tom Nook. Eh, no. As a simple element in a Final Smash, I feel it's not really notable enough for its own page, and can just go on the Final Smash page instead.
Peppy Hare, Krystal, Leon Powalski, Panther Caroso and ROB 64. Since we have pages for the characters in Snake's smash taunt, I would agree with this, but only slightly (though that's not to say I support it).
Reshiram and Zekrom. Don't really know about this.
Kamek. Yes.
5-Volt. Debatable. I'm not sure if it constitutes as a stage hazard or stage element. In the event of the former, yes; latter, no.
Registeel. Again, don't know anything about this.
Peckish Aristocrab. Same as above.
Magnezone. Redirect this to Pokémon (universe) or something better.

What do you think? Rtzxy Reflect! 19:46, 17 December 2014 (EST)

My justifications are roughly as follows:

Boo makes it as a Smash Tour item with other appearances (trophies, background element).
Tom Nook makes it as a Final Smash element + background character
Star Fox characters make it in terms of voice-acted cameos, and consistency with Slippy and Snake's support team.
Reshiram, Zekrom, Kamek, 5-Volt, Registeel and the Aristocrab all make it as named entities whose actions directly affect the playing field. We already have many comparable pages (Dialga, Cresselia, Nabbit, Whispy Woods, etc.) and this would make that more consistent.
Magnezone is only a background element with no effect aside from its visual appearance, and otherwise only appears as a trophy. The other PS2 background Pokemon do not have their own articles.

Does that clarify things? Miles (talk) 20:18, 17 December 2014 (EST)

It does, and I agree with most of the list, the sole exception being Tom Nook. I don't feel a Final Smash element is notable enough for a separate page, as the info can just simply go on either the Animal Crossing (universe) page or the Final Smash page itself. The fact that you also mentioned background character also makes it unnotable. Rtzxy

Reflect! 20:23, 17 December 2014 (EST)

I'll admit Nook is the most debatable one on there. For me what it came down to was the relevance of Chrom minus voice acting plus a background appearance. They both appear as FS elements, trophies, and in a newcomer trailer. Miles (talk) 20:37, 17 December 2014 (EST)

I forgot about Chrom. Hmmmm… I'm not so sure now… Rtzxy

Reflect! 20:41, 17 December 2014 (EST)

For context, I made a separate Nabbit page because of his two distinct roles, stage hazard and Smash Tour event (and trophy), while giving Birdo and Dialga as examples and those have an even globally smaller role (just stage hazards + trophy). Reshiram, Zekrom, Registeel have pretty much the same role as Birdo and Dialga (relevant hazard + trophy), so if those two have separate pages I guess they all should. I support demoting Magnezone as it's the only purely background Pokémon with a separate page, I'd say just do as Snorunt, Electivire and the others and keep it as a disambiguation page. Actually, since List of Pokémon exists, I think it might be better to cut all those minor disambiguation pages and integrate their data (mostly links to the trophy/sticker pages and possibly Bulbapedia) in the list itself, unless it clashes with some greater site policy. --Menshay (talk) 12:00, 18 December 2014 (EST)

I think it's fine to have the little disambig pages for stuff like Snorunt, Electivire, etc. For me, anyway, I think adding pages on named stage elements that do more than just appear in the background visually would add a reasonable but not excessive number of pages while making a more clear distinction between what does and doesn't warrant a page. Of course, we'll still need to make a decision on whether Smash Tour element + trophy is noteworth (Plasm Wraith, Proto Man, etc.) Miles (talk) 12:30, 18 December 2014 (EST)

Recent release cutoff

How does January 6th (one month after the latest release date, a Tuesday about 1.5 weeks from this post) sound for the {{recent release}} cutoff? That would also be the day where we'd unsemiprotect stuff like SSB4 character pages. Toomai Glittershine The Chilled 00:16, 26 December 2014 (EST)

Miles (talk) 00:31, 26 December 2014 (EST)

Found something interesting while unprotecting this stuff: apparently the Peach, Jigglypuff, and R.O.B. pages were never protected in the first place, and nobody noticed. That tells me that keeping semiprotection up for character pages for this long might have been a bit overzealous. Toomai Glittershine The Brass 11:59, 6 January 2015 (EST)

Music unlockables

Anybody have a good guide to which songs in SSBU are CD unlockables compared to those unlocked automatically with an unlockable stage? All I can find are lists of all the songs with no stages unlocked or all the songs with everything unlocked. Miles (talk) 19:06, 31 December 2014 (EST)

And I guess as a followup: do we care about the distinction between the two? The lists we have for Brawl seem to distinguish between songs unlocked with a stage as "Default" versus "Unlockable" if they're a CD afterwards. Miles (talk) 19:10, 31 December 2014 (EST)

Promote a deleted page?

If you don't mind me asking, why would you promote the page about 5-Volt? There's no point on promoting deleted pages. Smashworker101 (talk) 14:38, 25 January 2015 (EST)

Because the page's deletion broke what was more or less a consistent rule about what stage elements do and don't warrant pages, and I believe that page should be re-instated. Miles (talk) 14:41, 25 January 2015 (EST)

I taught it wasn't notable for its own page. Smashworker101 (talk) 14:47, 25 January 2015 (EST)

It's no less notable than the fish pre-smash 4, Tingle, or King Bulblin and those have their own pages. 5-volt is more notable than the latter two even. Laikue (talk | contribs) 14:55, 25 January 2015 (EST)

Pretty much Toomai stated that stage hazards that appear in a single stage is not notable. When I was new to this wiki, I thought it was great idea to create the page, until it got marked for deletion -_- Smashworker101 (talk) 14:59, 25 January 2015 (EST)

Not everyone has Toomai's opinion, first of all. Secondly, like I said, there are less prominent hazards that only appear in a single stage that have their own pages. Birdo and Pidget also fall under this category. It probably was a good idea to create it, but you should've waited until you were better at editing before creating it, as debatable pages that don't look appealing are more likely to get tagged. Laikue (talk | contribs) 15:03, 25 January 2015 (EST)

Yes, I was going to say that to Toomai later on, but he's probably going to ignore me instead. Even though Rtzxy said it was debatable. Smashworker101 (talk) 15:10, 25 January 2015 (EST)

As I stated earlier on this talk page, the criteria I'm looking for in a stage element in order to merit its own page is being both a named entity and being one that does more than just appear in the background visually. Given 5-Volt's major role on the Gamer stage as a hazard, I'd say she certainly warrants a page. Miles (talk) 15:58, 25 January 2015 (EST)

Despite on the fact that she's a stage hazard, isn't there a trophy of 5-Volt with her son on the Wii U Version? Although I agree with the idea of yours Smashworker101 (talk) 16:07, 25 January 2015 (EST)

Visual cameo + trophy doesn't warrant a page, though, under the current system (which I advise we keep as the standard). Miles (talk) 16:20, 25 January 2015 (EST)

Fair enough Smashworker101 (talk) 16:21, 25 January 2015 (EST)

Beta Elements and Debug Menu

I have a page in my sandbox that I have been working on, detailing Melee's Debug Menu. I would like to propose 2 things:

1) A collaboration: I have all the information for the Debug Mode, but I lack the know-how on how to incorporate it on the wiki, as I am a new-ish editor.

2) A split of the current Debug Menu page by game, in order to better incorporate Melee. The menu is absolutely massive, and having the page combined with Smash64 is bothersome and problematic.

Thank you for your consideration. Serpent King (talk) 15:45, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

Yeah, splitting the debug menu page seems like the most logical choice. Melee's is massive, and while we don't want to copy TCRF's page on it exactly, we definitely need more detail than what we have. Your userpage is a good start; with your permission I might tweak some parts to it to streamline it a bit more. Miles (talk) 15:53, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

Of course, have at it. Let's move discussion to that page? Serpent King (talk) 15:57, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

Also, just to clarify, any work on this does not count towards probation, correct? Just making sure as it is technically excessive editing on my userspace. Serpent King (talk) 19:03, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

It's intent to help the mainspace, so you're good. Toomai Glittershine The Loony 19:37, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

Alright, Miles. I think I have done everything I can for this. You're up, mate :D.

Serpent King (talk) 18:52, 7 April 2015 (EDT)

Brawl's Trophies are done

Hey, finished anchoring all those Brawl trophies. I'll hit 4's some other time Serpent King (talk) 15:51, 8 June 2015 (EDT)

Inkling

Right now, in terms of giving them a page, I'm neutral leaning towards support. Nintendo seems to be really pushing them, but I'm not sure if they're really "costumes" so much as collectables in terms of gameplay relevance. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 18:06, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

Well, it's mostly that all of the other character-based costumes as of now are based on characters we already had reason to have a page for anyway. The issue is if the inconsistency of not having an Inkling page to fit the group of "all DLC costume characters" is worth having a page that only has that to discuss. It's not exactly the same kind of situations the other characters that were on my list (Smash Tour items, voice-acted characters, hazards) which also have trophies and such. Miles (talk) 18:54, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

Well, I'd say our closest comparison would be 5-Volt, who only has one shared trophy. In that case, I'd say that there would be enough to talk about to avoid writing a stub, especially considering that the Inklings actually have two costumes (well, one costume and two hats).Nyargleblargle (Talk) 18:59, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

I'm inclined to agree, but I'd like to hear others' thoughts on the subject since it's kind of a new category. Miles (talk) 19:02, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

I'm also leaning towards support, but I'm not completely convinced. Idk. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 19:50, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

If this would change anyone's mind one way or the other, the page would be along the lines of this. Miles (talk) 01:09, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

I did some modifying here, making it a little longer (but only with Smash-relevant information). This can be moved out of my userspace if we decide to go with it, but if not I'll probably make it part of my fake movesets project :P

Either way, I'm going full support. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 16:40, 10 June 2015 (EDT)