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Definitive best in the world

Hey, try to avoid using definitive best in the worlds unless it’s obvious such as MkLeo for Joker or Samsora for Peach. Captain L and Arika have rather comparable Jigglypuff results, especially when the latter was solo Puff. CookiesCreme 11:32, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Got it. I wonder how does one become the best in the world with a character? Don't the results and wins play a part in it? Most of the time, I'm just putting the title the best, where it was originally, before the Most Historically Significant Players existed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.251.172.162 (talk • contribs) 12:48, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

The old notable player sections are often outdated, messy, extremely biased, and filled with a lot of fluff, so you shouldn't really go off of them.

While results and wins do play a part in the decision, you also need to look into the whole picture. For Captain L, he does have a win over Larry Lurr, but he only used Jigglypuff in the last 2 games, while Larry Lurr used Diddy Kong, a character he doesn't main, for the last game. Furthermore, most of his good placements were actually with Pikachu, as Jigglypuff was used as a sandbag/counterpick character. On the other hand, Arika is a solo-Jigglypuff and has seen rather solid results in Japan, most notably 17th at Umebura Smash 4 Final, the highest placement a solo-Jigglypuff has seen at a national, and also has wins over Kome and masashi. As a result, it is kind of hard to say who is actually better, hence why it's less biased to say that both are "one of the best Jigglypuff players in the world."

On the other hand, you have someone like MkLeo, who is the best player in the world. His Joker helped him win a bunch of majors and supermajors, and no one has matched his achievements so far. With how dominant MkLeo is, it's very silly to note that he's "one of the best" Joker players, which is why iwe say MkLeo is the "best Joker in the world."

tl;dr, "best in the world" should only be given to those who have clear dominance with a character in a game's lifespan, while "one of the best" is the safer alternative when it's more difficult to decipher due to similar performances. CookiesCreme 13:06, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

So if results, wins, and characters that they won with, play a part, does that mean Suarez is the best Yoshi? He has good results and has wins over major players like LeoN, and Light, two of the most dominant players in Ultimate's history. And does that mean that Nery doesn't really deserve his title as the best Isabelle player? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.251.172.162 (talk • contribs) 13:12, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

I don't believe thats how it works, Suarez results dropped after season 1 and there are other Yoshi with comparable results, also why is LeoN most dominant? There are certainly more dominant players than him. As for Nery u should take a look into Isabelle, most other players either secondaries her or mostly play online. NPM Morr!? 13:25, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

I would say yes for Nery, but Suarez has fallen off a bit since the first season. Also, both Ron and Meme have similar if not better results; the former has wins over Shuton and T while the latter has wins over Maister and Light.

As for LeoN, while he is the best Bowser player in the world, he isn't a really dominant player, especially with his results prior to the pandemic. CookiesCreme 13:30, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Yes LeoN and Light, aren't as dominant as they were before but they were getting top 10 at least at major tournaments, and the fact that Suarez beat them is an achievement despite them not being as good nowadays. I have another person that should be the best is Shuton with Olimar. He won EVO and isn't EVO the biggest tournament in the world?