Talk:Sheik (SSB4)

Recovery Nerf

I'd say that this is a notable nerf, considering that from what I've seen Sheik can't use her chain to grab ledges anymore. I don't know why it'd be removed. (Even if Bouncing Fish helps a bit with recovering, it seems to be gimpable by simply touching her while she uses it) Laikue (talk) 12:33, 21 July 2014 (EDT)

Tether recoveries are bad in Brawl because you can edgehog them. The new down B isn't as good as the Captain Jack recovery (transforming into Zelda for a higher double jump and to up B) but I think it's better than a tether.--Brian^{Don't try me!} 14:11, 21 July 2014 (EDT)

But, that's the point, Sheik's current recovery options are worse than her old ones, so shouldn't it be listed as a nerf on the page? Also due to the new edge mechanics a tether would help her recovery. Laikue (talk) 14:56, 21 July 2014 (EDT)

Also, it seems I completely forgot to mention the recovery nerf I was initially complaining about was the removal of Zelda's Teleport. I'm just thought I typed that part out, but obviously I didn't.... Laikue (talk) 14:58, 21 July 2014 (EDT)

Notable players

While I have contributed to the Sheik list for roughly 36% of the players on here, looking at the list now, this seems disproportionately huge for a game that hasn't even been out in North America for a full month. To put it in perspective, this list is already more than half the size of the Meta Knight list from Brawl, as well as being roughly 41% of the size of the Fox list from Melee, including both active and inactive players. My suggestion would be to wait until after at least Apex 2015 before having these sections on the character pages, regardless of whether Japan continues to get 150+ players for 3DS tournaments. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 15:27, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

Oppose. There's no reason to wait; the players main the characters, and it's unlikely that they're going to change mains (in a major way; safe for a few players) by Apex 2015. Most smashers will, most likely, main the same characters at Apex 2015 as what they main now. Rtzxy Smashing! 15:31, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

Players like 9B and RAIN have already switched their mains within this short time period. The metagame will also likely change when the Wii U version drops as well (better controls mean a lot), and I can guarantee you that there will be pro players that will switch mains due to this. In the end, players are still experimenting on the 3DS version. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 15:35, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

All right, good point. I'm now neutral, but leaning towards oppose. The pro-lists are going to be about the same sizes anyways by Apex 2015, some larger than others, and we can always just change the lists if a smasher changes mains, can't we? Rtzxy Smashing! 15:49, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

I intended to add preliminary lists that would obviously change up a lot in the future. Out of all the SSB4 notable players lists added so far, the only one that may be bloated is the one on Sheik's page, and only four others have five or more players listed (Rosalina, Diddy Kong, Greninja, Duck Hunt). Some of them may need to be trimmed down, but I don't see why they should be removed entirely. Scr7(talk · contribs) 16:00, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

While I'm not inherently saying that the players on the Sheik list aren't notable (although KoreanDJ is probably the most suspect person on there), like you said, the list is pretty bloated right now. Maybe instead of removing the lists entirely, though, we could hide them for now. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 16:08, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

The only thing we should wait until Apex 2015 for is a tier list. I say we keep them. Japan or not, it's still a tournament, nonetheless. Aidan the Gamer 18:32, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

The problem with this is that we are still very early in the metagame, and for the most part, it seems as if we're searching for people to add to the lists. My current proposal now isn't necessarily to get rid of the lists, but to hide them for the time being. We've definitely hit some controversy on other sites (OT also listed his thoughts on this as well, for what that's worth) about whether or not this is "too early" to have (and the Wii U version (or the "real version", as some people like to call it) of the game isn't even out yet. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 19:02, 27 October 2014 (EDT)