Forum:Is Mario going to rise, drop, or stay in the next Tier list?
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Will Mario shoot up in the next list, shoot down, or stay the same? You Decide! Doc King (talk) 13:57, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
Mario might shoot up in the next list
I think Mario might move to high tier at the very most but I think he's gonna move a few spaces higher since Scorpion Master got 2nd place with Mario. This!Doc King (talk) 13:57, July 22, 2010 (UTC) --User was warned for this post
- One match doesn't change everything Doc. They give a poll, look at all of the tournaments after their last tier list, and pile it up. I myself think Mario will stay or get lowered.--MegaTron1XD
14:03, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
Drop -- Murphyshane Don't click here 14:19, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- I think Mario is gonna be higher on the next list. I mean he has a good reflector that can basically destroy Fox and Falco's recovery, can easily chain throw fast fallers with TWO throws and has a finisher throw, he is floaty which helps his recovery and he can't be chain throwed by Peach, he has a wall jump which helps his recovery. He has decent range and has many combos. So I think Mario should and will be higher in the next Tier list for Melee!Doc King (talk) 14:30, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Recovery? It flips them. If not used at the right time, they can still turn around. Floaty is a bad thing, as it lets one get juggled easily. Wall Jumps aren't availble to use in any real stage where it could be useful. He doesn't have a good finisher. He can be edge gaurded easily. That was a local tournament Doc. They barely have an effect. One can win with Pichu in the biggest Melee tourney ever, but they won't raise him that high. They might keep him at the same rank.--MegaTron1XD 14:37, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Also, I'm not sure if it was the skill of the Mario player as much as the badness of the Falco player. Falco in that video overspamed dair and blaster, and occasionally forgot to short hop. Mr. Anon teh awsome 18:46, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Recovery? It flips them. If not used at the right time, they can still turn around. Floaty is a bad thing, as it lets one get juggled easily. Wall Jumps aren't availble to use in any real stage where it could be useful. He doesn't have a good finisher. He can be edge gaurded easily. That was a local tournament Doc. They barely have an effect. One can win with Pichu in the biggest Melee tourney ever, but they won't raise him that high. They might keep him at the same rank.--MegaTron1XD
- I think Mario is gonna be higher on the next list. I mean he has a good reflector that can basically destroy Fox and Falco's recovery, can easily chain throw fast fallers with TWO throws and has a finisher throw, he is floaty which helps his recovery and he can't be chain throwed by Peach, he has a wall jump which helps his recovery. He has decent range and has many combos. So I think Mario should and will be higher in the next Tier list for Melee!Doc King (talk) 14:30, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Ok if you think Floaty is a bad thing, then why do you guys have Peach on the top? And Peach can be edge-guarded easily and doesn't have a good finisher, yet u call her good. Mario has good finishers (side smash attack) so why r u guys treating every character like crap except for Peach? Doc King (talk) 14:56, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Floaty is bad, which prevents her from #1 tier. She most certanly can recover, using a simple Peach Bomber to knock you out or just floating back to the stage. She's good in aerial combat. She has turnips. You view Peach as low because you hate her. Never do that for a tier list.--MegaTron1XD 15:01, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Well Mario aint that Floaty, he's just floaty enough to get out of upward chain throws. And is floatiness is suck a bad thing, then why is Roy in low tier? Doc King (talk) 15:13, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Being floaty is not necessarily a bad thing. It has both it advantages and disadvantages as does being a fast faller. But in Melee, being on the faster falling side tends to be more advantageous as it grants more speed to your playstyle and gives greater vertical endurance, which being floaty hinders. But a character's falling speed doesn't influence their tier position significantly enough to be considered a reason for the tier position. Omega Tyrant
15:20, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, once a top tier, always a top tier. Why can't that be the same for Mario? Plus, i've read some of the smashboards comments and they said that Mario should go higher in the next tier list. Doc King (talk) 15:48, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Firstly, Mario was never considered top tier and Mario being considered high tier in the past is irrelevant for determining his current tier position. Zelda was once considered high tier, yet anyone today would say she is low or bottom tier. So your argument for Mario being high tier since he was considered high tier in the past fails. Also, some comments on SWF saying Mario should be higher is not valid in proving that Mario is high tier. Now my knowledge on the Melee competitive scene is not great, but from a statistical standpoint, I do not see Mario becoming high tier. Mario lacks outstanding attributes which are crucial for being in the high tier. He also lacks a reliable aerial finisher, has an overall poor recovery, and has poor reach in almost all of his attacks. Mario does have fast attacks and can combo well, but with him lacking in other attributes, I don't see Mario rising more than two spaces at best in the next tier list. There's a reason why Mario's relative tier position has consistently fallen since the first tier list and I highly doubt this trend will be abruptly ended in the next tier list. Omega Tyrant 19:06, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Firstly, Mario was never considered top tier and Mario being considered high tier in the past is irrelevant for determining his current tier position. Zelda was once considered high tier, yet anyone today would say she is low or bottom tier. So your argument for Mario being high tier since he was considered high tier in the past fails. Also, some comments on SWF saying Mario should be higher is not valid in proving that Mario is high tier. Now my knowledge on the Melee competitive scene is not great, but from a statistical standpoint, I do not see Mario becoming high tier. Mario lacks outstanding attributes which are crucial for being in the high tier. He also lacks a reliable aerial finisher, has an overall poor recovery, and has poor reach in almost all of his attacks. Mario does have fast attacks and can combo well, but with him lacking in other attributes, I don't see Mario rising more than two spaces at best in the next tier list. There's a reason why Mario's relative tier position has consistently fallen since the first tier list and I highly doubt this trend will be abruptly ended in the next tier list. Omega Tyrant
- Well, once a top tier, always a top tier. Why can't that be the same for Mario? Plus, i've read some of the smashboards comments and they said that Mario should go higher in the next tier list. Doc King (talk) 15:48, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Being floaty is not necessarily a bad thing. It has both it advantages and disadvantages as does being a fast faller. But in Melee, being on the faster falling side tends to be more advantageous as it grants more speed to your playstyle and gives greater vertical endurance, which being floaty hinders. But a character's falling speed doesn't influence their tier position significantly enough to be considered a reason for the tier position. Omega Tyrant
- Well Mario aint that Floaty, he's just floaty enough to get out of upward chain throws. And is floatiness is suck a bad thing, then why is Roy in low tier? Doc King (talk) 15:13, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Floaty is bad, which prevents her from #1 tier. She most certanly can recover, using a simple Peach Bomber to knock you out or just floating back to the stage. She's good in aerial combat. She has turnips. You view Peach as low because you hate her. Never do that for a tier list.--MegaTron1XD
Mario may improve if he gets a cool Meteor Smash, like the strong ground pound punch he tried to strike Link with in the movie, Mario's Misunderstanding -- Murphyshane Don't click here 14:43, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Um, your comment is irrelevant to the topic. The topic is about whether or not Mario will rise in the next tier list for Melee, not on how Mario could be improved in the next SSB. Omega Tyrant 14:51, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
I'm confused, sorry, but I'm not that bright -- Murphyshane Don't click here 13:45, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
Mario for high tier?
Ok, so once again, S Master won GSG and has dominated with the Super Mario we know. So I think in conclusion, Mario is gonna rise up to high tier! Doc King (talk) 01:35, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
- One tournament will not make a character rise to high tier that easily.--MegaTron1XD 01:51, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
- No, it's actually 2 tournaments Mario has won in, 1 in 2nd place and another in 1st place. Plus note that S Master beat M2K and surprised many ppl at GSG. Doc King (talk) 15:16, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
- 2nd place isn't winning.--MegaTron1XD 15:23, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
- But its close to winning and for an almost low tier character, thats really good. Doc King (talk) 19:02, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Then you are inherently saying that Mario is not going to rise in the next list. If it is considered really good that a character played by the best player at that character in the world wins and comes in second in two local tourneys then that character probably is low tier and is just being played really well by a single good player in a mid level competition. Look at Gimpy with Bowser for comparison. If Scorpion Master continues to play this way at larger, higher level tourneys and other players begin using Mario, then we might see some shift. But it is ludicrous to say that because someone gets two top two finishes with a character that the character is automatically high tier. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 19:28, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
- But its close to winning and for an almost low tier character, thats really good. Doc King (talk) 19:02, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
- 2nd place isn't winning.--MegaTron1XD
- No, it's actually 2 tournaments Mario has won in, 1 in 2nd place and another in 1st place. Plus note that S Master beat M2K and surprised many ppl at GSG. Doc King (talk) 15:16, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
