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==Overview==
==Overview==
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A downward stab with the Buster Sword that boasts a large, powerful sweetspot and decent speed. It serves as a threatening [[Edgeguarding|edgeguard]] due to its size and [[Spike|spiking]] capability, and an effective deterrent for juggling because of its surprisingly wide and long-lasting sourspot. [[Auto-canceling|Autocancelling]] the move allows the low knockback of the sourspot to offer combo potential into a variety of finishers, while also making it deceptively difficult to intercept or punish.
 
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==Trivia==
==Trivia==
*Like Cloud's {{mvsub|Cloud|SSB4|up aerial}}, the immediate auto-canceling of this move is possibly a coding error caused by the wrong type of timing function being used. In the move's scripts, the hitboxes are deleted on frame 43, then a timer with a count of 37 is placed in the next line for the auto-cancel window. However, this is an ''asynchronous'' timer, which enables the auto-cancel ''on'' frame 37, rather than a ''synchronous'' timer, which would enable it 37 frames ''after'' the hitboxes are deleted (on frame 60). As a result, the auto-cancel is instead enabled on frame 43, as the line is still read after the timer for deleting the hitboxes.
*Like Cloud's {{mvsub|Cloud|SSB4|up aerial}}, the immediate auto-canceling of this move is possibly a coding error caused by the wrong type of timing function being used. In the move's scripts, the hitboxes are deleted on frame 43, then a timer with a count of 37 is placed in the next line for the auto-cancel window. However, this is an asynchronous timer, which enables the auto-cancel on frame 37, rather than a synchronous timer, which would enable it 37 frames after the hitboxes are deleted (on frame 60). As a result, the auto-cancel is instead enabled on frame 43, as the line is still read after the timer for deleting the hitboxes.
**A very similar error can be seen with {{SSB4|Sonic}}'s {{mvsub|Sonic|SSB4|up aerial}}.
**A very similar error can be seen with {{SSB4|Sonic}}'s {{mvsub|Sonic|SSB4|up aerial}}.
**Since this error was not addressed in any updates, it remains unknown whether the move's instant auto-canceling property was intentional or not. However, like with Cloud's up aerial, it was [[Cloud (SSBU)/Down aerial|eventually fixed in ''Ultimate'']], where the move's auto-cancel properly uses an asynchronous timer on frame 46 (in addition to the hitboxes ending earlier, on frame 40).
**Since this error was not addressed in any updates, it remains unknown whether the move's instant auto-canceling property was intentional or not. However, like with Cloud's up aerial, it was [[Cloud (SSBU)/Down aerial|eventually fixed in ''Ultimate'']], where the move's auto-cancel properly uses an asynchronous timer on frame 46 (in addition to the hitboxes ending earlier, on frame 40).

Latest revision as of 22:10, April 28, 2024

Hitbox visualization showing Cloud's down aerial.

Overview[edit]

A downward stab with the Buster Sword that boasts a large, powerful sweetspot and decent speed. It serves as a threatening edgeguard due to its size and spiking capability, and an effective deterrent for juggling because of its surprisingly wide and long-lasting sourspot. Autocancelling the move allows the low knockback of the sourspot to offer combo potential into a variety of finishers, while also making it deceptively difficult to intercept or punish.

Hitboxes[edit]

ID Part Damage SD Angle BK KS FKV Radius Bone Offset SDIx T% Clang Rebound Type Effect G A Sound Direct
Clean hit
0 0 15% 0 AngleIcon270.png 10 100 0 3.6 25 0.0 11.0 to 12.5 0.0 1.0x 1.5x 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png TypeIcon(Sword).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedFalse).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Cloud Hit SpecialsDirect.png
1 0 13% 0 AngleIcon60.png 30 105 0 4.5 25 0.0 7.0 to 13.0 0.0 1.0x 1.2x 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png TypeIcon(Sword).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Cloud Hit SpecialsDirect.png
Late hit
1 0 8% 0 AngleIcon65.png 80 55 0 3.5 25 0.0 9.0 to 11.0 0.0 1.0x 1.2x 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png TypeIcon(Sword).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png M Cloud Hit SpecialsDirect.png

Timing[edit]

Attack[edit]

Initial autocancel 1-4
Clean hit 11-13
Late hit 14-42
Ending autocancel 43-
Interruptible 60
Animation length 77
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Landing lag[edit]

Animation length 26
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Legend (1 square = 1 frame)
FrameIcon(Lag).png
Lag time
FrameIcon(Hitbox).png
Hitbox
FrameIcon(HitboxChangeS).pngFrameIcon(HitboxChangeE).png
Hitbox change
FrameIcon(Autocancel).png
Autocancel
FrameIcon(Interruptible).png
Interruptible

Trivia[edit]

  • Like Cloud's up aerial, the immediate auto-canceling of this move is possibly a coding error caused by the wrong type of timing function being used. In the move's scripts, the hitboxes are deleted on frame 43, then a timer with a count of 37 is placed in the next line for the auto-cancel window. However, this is an asynchronous timer, which enables the auto-cancel on frame 37, rather than a synchronous timer, which would enable it 37 frames after the hitboxes are deleted (on frame 60). As a result, the auto-cancel is instead enabled on frame 43, as the line is still read after the timer for deleting the hitboxes.
    • A very similar error can be seen with Sonic's up aerial.
    • Since this error was not addressed in any updates, it remains unknown whether the move's instant auto-canceling property was intentional or not. However, like with Cloud's up aerial, it was eventually fixed in Ultimate, where the move's auto-cancel properly uses an asynchronous timer on frame 46 (in addition to the hitboxes ending earlier, on frame 40).