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Deletion

Oppose deletion of this and all related images, as well as the recent enforcement on infobox images. I personally think that it really shouldn't matter if a post-smash appearance is used in the infobox unless the post-smash appearance is drastically different in design, such as ToTK Ganondorf and Zelda. There are plenty of Pokemon who made no appearances between Melee (such as Unown, original Porygon, and Scizor) and Ultimate, and most of the time their reappearance was as a spirit or trophy, so if we delete these images now, then in a future smash game the pokemon is represented as a collectible again, all this means is that these images would have to be uploaded again, which is incredibly inconvenient.

There is also the case on what if a character's smash design significantly influences their home series design, such as Roy in Heroes taking his combined Binding/Awakening design from ssb4 (including objects not present in his original Binding Blade design, such as the long headband or extra armor on his ankles and wrists), or Pit and Palutena using their Brawl redesigns in Uprising, or Meta Knight's wings growing for his smash appearances and staying that size for his later appearances.

To bring this back to the original changes with Daisy's image, I would actually rather change it back to her Mario Party Superstars art; it's the exact same design and pose as her Mario Kart 7 art, but with better lighting and hair textures that are more reflective of her Smash design than any art of her predating smash, even if in an incredibly minor way of a simple graphics upgrade.

I would personally say that the infobox image can definitely use art from a post-smash appearance, and I'd prefer it to be on the same console as the most recent smash game due to matching graphics, but it does not have to be nor should people feel obligated to make it be the literal most recent appearance. Unnamed anon (talk) 05:58, July 30, 2023 (EDT)

I should just delete this image because this shouldn't be an argument and I don't know why this image wasn't tagged with speedy delete in the first place, but I'll humor the argument here.

"I personally think that it really shouldn't matter if a post-smash appearance is used in the infobox unless the post-smash appearance is drastically different in design"

This has been the long standing way we handle the infobox images for general character articles in a debate settled long ago, where the primary image is supposed to be the official appearance that primarily influenced their latest Smash appearance, that newer users apparently missed the memo on. By definition, that precludes any images from games that came after their most recent Smash design for obvious reasons that shouldn't have to be spelled out. Something to note also, is that general character articles are supposed to be explaining to the reader why the character is the way they are in Smash, and give a general overview of each of their Smash appearances, they are not general biography articles, as we are not a general Nintendo wiki. People far too often treat these articles as the latter, as alongside constantly updating the main image with art from newer games, they often go waaaayyyyyy too into detail in their origin section by fully explaining the plots of their games and all their appearances in even shit that came after their latest Smash appearance (some severe offenders offenders that recently got addressed, with far more needing to be cleaned up). If people want fleshed out bio articles on characters, they should be visiting their articles from their respective relevant wikis that we already link, not try to turn SmashWiki into a general Nintendo wiki.

"then in a future smash game the pokemon is represented as a collectible again, all this means is that these images would have to be uploaded again, which is incredibly inconvenient."

And? We don't hold onto stuff just because it might see use in the future, and it takes just a minute to upload an updated image over an old one, this is absolutely not an argument for keeping these images. Should we go upload every other pokemon's official art because they might show up as a pokeball pokemon in a future Smash game? Future proofing is one thing, holding onto unneeded content that might see a use in the distant future is just hoarding. Also you're going to complain it's "inconvenient" to reupload the image later if it's actually needed... as if what you're advocating for isn't creating more work by having to constantly "update" these infobox images whenever new official art of the character comes out?

"There is also the case on what if a character's smash design significantly influences their home series design, such as Roy in Heroes taking his combined Binding/Awakening design from ssb4 (including objects not present in his original Binding Blade design, such as the long headband or extra armor on his ankles and wrists), or Pit and Palutena using their Brawl redesigns in Uprising, or Meta Knight's wings growing for his smash appearances and staying that size for his later appearances."

This is not an argument for updating the infobox images (especially in the latter two examples when they went on to influence their later Smash designs), and is something that should be mentioned later in the article, not overtake the priority of explaining the character's appearance in Smash, when Smash is our focus.

"To bring this back to the original changes with Daisy's image, I would actually rather change it back to her Mario Party Superstars art; it's the exact same design and pose as her Mario Kart 7 art, but with better lighting and hair textures that are more reflective of her Smash design than any art of her predating smash, even if in an incredibly minor way of a simple graphics upgrade.

It is not reflective of the character's Smash design; even subtle changes in a mostly static character's design in later games will not be reflected in their Smash appearance that predates it. Also opening up any avenue to change the official art used on the basis of "it looks better" is opening the wiki up to entirely subjective arguments that will do nothing but bog the wiki down. Stick to the simple line of "use the image that best represents the character's Smash appearances, which by definition will preclude images that postdate their latest Smash appearance". The only exception to the "don't use art from after their latest Smash appearance" rule should be when the Smash team obviously got prerelease material to influence the character's Smash design with (such as Luigi's article using his Luigi's Mansion 3 art is fine, as his Ult appearance was based on his appearance there, including using the Poltergust G-00. Omega Tyrant 06:45, July 30, 2023 (EDT)