User talk:Toomai/Cloneosity/Archive 1

Captain Falcon and Jigglypuff (SSB64)

I included ledge and floor attacks because they're attacks and they're part of the characters' metagames, and I think ignoring them doesn't make any sense. I can understand non-attack animations, though. "Flr1" is face down, "Flr2" is back down, "Ldg1" is <100% damage, "Ldg2" is >100% damage.

Original	Possible clone	Ntr	Ftl	Utl	Dtl	DAtk	Fsmh	Usmh	Dsmh	Narl	Farl	Barl	Uarl	Darl	Fthw	Bthw	Flr1	Flr2	Ldg1	Ldg2	NS	US	DS	Total	%
Samus	Captain Falcon	0.21	0.51	1	0.51	1	0	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	1	0.51	0	0	0	16.5/22	39.5%
Kirby	Jigglypuff	2/31	1	1	1	1	1	0	0.51	1	0.51	0	0	1	0	1	1	1	1	1	0	0	0	13.7/22	62.2%

1. (Samus/Falcon): Captain Falcon doesn't put his shoulder into the first hit of his jab as much as Samus does, but the rest of the attack is different enough to not be half-way cloned. For the f- and d-tilts, Captain Falcon doesn't spin when he does his like Samus does, but otherwise they're identical in function and speed. For the second ledge attack, Captain Falcon does an uppercut while Samus slams the foe with her cannon. They're identical in speed, having the same startup animation.
1. (Kirby/Jigglypuff): Jigglypuff doesn't have an infinite, but entirety of her jab combo is identical in function and speed to the first two hits of Kirby's. For the down smash, Jigglypuff doesn't spin and hers comes out a tad slower. They have the same amount of cooldown though. For the forward aerial it's almost the same; Kirby spins and his is a multi-hit move, Jigglypuff doesn't spin and it's single-hit.

I could also do Ness in comparison to Mario/Luigi in SSB64, and Ganondorf in comparison to Samus in Melee, but it's safe to say they're non-clones (the fact that they share those few attacks though should be shown on your charts, which I think should include ledge and floor attacks). Blue Ninjakoopa 16:38, 26 October 2014 (EDT)

I chose to ignore floor and edge attacks because I feel the overall variation across the cast with them is so much lower than normal attacks, which would raise pretty much everyone's clone rating.

I might do those Samus/Falcon and Kirby/Jigglypuff comperisons myself later. Toomai Glittershine The Orchestral 16:56, 26 October 2014 (EDT)

Lucario and Mewtwo?

You should probably also do Lucario from Brawl and Mewtwo from Melee, despite the fact that Mewtwo didn't return, just to prove those who believe Lucario's some kind of clone of Mewtwo wrong. Just a suggestion. Bulbaboy (talk) 14:25, 10 November 2014 (EST)

Hmm that's not a bad idea. Toomai Glittershine The Altruistic 14:26, 10 November 2014 (EST)

awww i wanted to suggest this -.- Well, I had another suggestion. Could you do Young Link/Toon Link (both versions of the latter) and Roy/Lucina? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 16:06, 10 November 2014 (EST)

Those would be less relevant but I'll consider them. Toomai Glittershine The Prismatic 16:19, 10 November 2014 (EST)

Curious

Where did you decide to cut off between clone and semi-clone, and semi-clone and non-clone. I like round numbers so I would have done 75% and 50% (but this would've made Falco in Brawl a full clone and Lucas a non-clone). ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 18:06, 13 November 2014 (EST)

Dr. Mario/Luigi

I think you should go Dr. Mario/Luigi. I wanna see how it compares to Dr. Mario/Mario, especially with the down-b stuff in SSB4. 108.41.245.79 12:02, 23 November 2014 (EST)

Yeah I've been thinking a bit more carefully about that edit of yours on the clone page I undid a few minutes ago, and you might have a point. I'm seeing if I can reword it better. Toomai Glittershine The Resolute 12:03, 23 November 2014 (EST)

Okay yes I believe I get what you're saying. I'll go put it on the clone page. Toomai Glittershine El Pollo 12:12, 23 November 2014 (EST)

Coincidence

Coincidentally, this page is itself a clone - of User:Omega Tyrant/Clone charts. RickTommy 01:31, 24 November 2014 (EST)

Yeah, I never agreed too much with OT's methodology of this issue, so I rolled my own. Toomai Glittershine The Pan-Galactic 11:05, 24 November 2014 (EST)

Kirby and Jigglypuff Melee?

Can you please make this comparison and add it in? It would be interesting to see how much they decloned into Melee and where they would fall into the complete chart in the bottom.

Thank you, MarioIsTheBest (talk) 14:00, 30 November 2014 (EST)

I've actually compiled that information recently.

Original	Possible Clone	Ntr	Ftl	Utl	Dtl	DAtk	Fsmh	Usmh	Dsmh	Narl	Farl	Barl	Uarl	Darl	Pml	Fthw	Bthw	Uthw	Dthw	NS	SS	US	DS	Total	%
Kirby	Jigglypuff	2/3	1	1	1	0	0.67	0	0.5	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	6.84/22	31.09%

Strangely enough, Jigglypuff is between 30% and 40%, therefore being, by Toomai's classification, between non-clone and semi-clone. Pokedex649 (talk) 21:04, 4 December 2014 (EST)

Fox and Falco SSB4

So my brother pointed this out to me earlier and he said that Fox and Falco's jab animations aren't alike in any way in Smash 4. I cross-referenced using his 3DS and mine and looked at both of their animations at the same time and there's a distinct difference. Bulbaboy (talk) 00:36, 2 December 2014 (EST)

Ganon and Falcon's neutral attack (Melee)

In Melee, they have the same animation, from what I've seen. I think that it should at least be a .5 cloned move in Melee. PikaSamus (talk) 09:52, 2 December 2014 (EST)

Yes, but Ganon's neutral in Melee is a one-time hitter, whereas Captain Falcon's is a 3-hit jabber (if that makes any sense). Aidan the Gamer 10:08, 2 December 2014 (EST)