Talk:Marth (SSB4)

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The only phrases that I agree with removing were things that "drove the nail in the coffin," so to speak. Phrases like "likely due to his dominance...," "none of his buffs compensate for his nerfs...," and "does not benefit from universal changes...," etc. are ''actually'' highly subjective. However, everything else in that section was fact. His ability to control space ''is'' weaker. His neutral and punish games ''are'' more inconsistent. Both of those shortcomings are explained by some of the discussed nerfs. And no, his abilities are not only "somewhat" weaker (that is a clear understatement, seeing how much Marth was nerfed in this game). Additionally, I feel that it's important to explain exactly why those are weaker, and/or explain how certain changes lead to certain weakened capabilities. --[[User:Timson622222|Timson622222]] ([[User talk:Timson622222|talk]]) 15:31, 10 August 2015 (EDT)

:Yeah I also think the changes Miles is pushing at the moment are overkill. The game has been out for the better part of a year now; while patches keep ruining everything, things are certainly at the point where we should have a relatively concrete community consensus over the what and why of a character's high-level properties. I recall an argument somewhere on the tier list talkpage about someone being sour about Ganondorf sucking in Brawl, and wanted to rewrite his page to be "completely neutral" about him, as opposed to "accurately non-neutral". Being overly defensive about words like "worsened" is just head-up-butt bad. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Metroid 15:39, 10 August 2015 (EDT)

::I apologize for removing information in my reverts, but I want to be very clear on this subject: '''''a neutral tone takes priority over anyone's opinion'''''. I provided a few examples in my most recent edit of phrasings and terms to always avoid, specifically "cripple", "worsened", and "nowhere near as good". There are plenty of other examples. I would urge all users editing these pages to think about the fact that we are aiming for an encyclopedic style. We are not a SmashBoards or Reddit thread. Describing a character's abilities as "worsened" instead of "reduced in power" or the like is unnecessarily judgmental. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 15:41, 10 August 2015 (EDT)

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 The only phrases that I agree with removing were things that "drove the nail in the coffin," so to speak. Phrases like "likely due to his dominance...," "none of his buffs compensate for his nerfs...," and "does not benefit from universal changes...," etc. are ''actually'' highly subjective. However, everything else in that section was fact. His ability to control space ''is'' weaker. His neutral and punish games ''are'' more inconsistent. Both of those shortcomings are explained by some of the discussed nerfs. And no, his abilities are not only "somewhat" weaker (that is a clear understatement, seeing how much Marth was nerfed in this game). Additionally, I feel that it's important to explain exactly why those are weaker, and/or explain how certain changes lead to certain weakened capabilities. --[[User:Timson622222|Timson622222]] ([[User talk:Timson622222|talk]]) 15:31, 10 August 2015 (EDT)
 :Yeah I also think the changes Miles is pushing at the moment are overkill. The game has been out for the better part of a year now; while patches keep ruining everything, things are certainly at the point where we should have a relatively concrete community consensus over the what and why of a character's high-level properties. I recall an argument somewhere on the tier list talkpage about someone being sour about Ganondorf sucking in Brawl, and wanted to rewrite his page to be "completely neutral" about him, as opposed to "accurately non-neutral". Being overly defensive about words like "worsened" is just head-up-butt bad. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Metroid 15:39, 10 August 2015 (EDT)
+::I apologize for removing information in my reverts, but I want to be very clear on this subject: '''''a neutral tone takes priority over anyone's opinion'''''. I provided a few examples in my most recent edit of phrasings and terms to always avoid, specifically "cripple", "worsened", and "nowhere near as good". There are plenty of other examples. I would urge all users editing these pages to think about the fact that we are aiming for an encyclopedic style. We are not a SmashBoards or Reddit thread. Describing a character's abilities as "worsened" instead of "reduced in power" or the like is unnecessarily judgmental. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:41, 10 August 2015 (EDT)