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:Dr. Mario is basically unchanged from Melee to Smash 4 in terms of his moveset. But with Mario in Brawl, he had a few changes to him, namely his down special moving to his down air and getting a new down special. That said, Ganondorf was in a similar case in Melee, being an almost-full clone of Captain Falcon. But in Brawl, he got a new side special to differentiate him from the Falcon. In short, a semi-clone, from my understanding, has to have either one different move, or multiple changes to several similar moves. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 21:26, 3 October 2014 (EDT) | :Dr. Mario is basically unchanged from Melee to Smash 4 in terms of his moveset. But with Mario in Brawl, he had a few changes to him, namely his down special moving to his down air and getting a new down special. That said, Ganondorf was in a similar case in Melee, being an almost-full clone of Captain Falcon. But in Brawl, he got a new side special to differentiate him from the Falcon. In short, a semi-clone, from my understanding, has to have either one different move, or multiple changes to several similar moves. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 21:26, 3 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
::I agree that Dr. Mario is to be considered a clone, due to sharing so many attacks, and aspects such as voice. He's in the dedicated clones part of the roster for a reason. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]] 01:05, 11 October 2014 (EDT) | ::I agree that Dr. Mario is to be considered a clone, due to sharing so many attacks, and aspects such as voice. He's in the dedicated clones part of the roster for a reason. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]] 01:05, 11 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
:::Sakurai also officially called Dr. Mario a clone, I think with that with my evidence (some of which has been made stronger with the discovery that all of his customs are cloned), I believe that we should change his status as a semi-clone to a clone. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 12:05, 11 October 2014 (EDT) | :::<s>Sakurai also officially called Dr. Mario a clone</s>, I think with that with my evidence (some of which has been made stronger with the discovery that all of his customs are cloned), I believe that we should change his status as a semi-clone to a clone. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 12:05, 11 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
::::I believe that Dr. Mario should be counted as a semi-clone, due to Mario's changes, with a differently working Mario Tornado (it may seem similar, but it works differently) and the FLUDD as his down special. That may not be considered a very strong argument, but those are my points. A moderator of Smashboards liked my post saying Dr. Mario is a semi-clone in Smash 4, if that means anything, though I doubt it does. Lakiue, may you please list the source of Sakurai saying that? {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 12:43, 13 October 2014 (EDT) | ::::I believe that Dr. Mario should be counted as a semi-clone, due to Mario's changes, with a differently working Mario Tornado (it may seem similar, but it works differently) and the FLUDD as his down special. That may not be considered a very strong argument, but those are my points. A moderator of Smashboards liked my post saying Dr. Mario is a semi-clone in Smash 4, if that means anything, though I doubt it does. Lakiue, may you please list the source of Sakurai saying that? {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 12:43, 13 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
:::::Just like in Melee, SSB4 directly identifies its clones by their placement on the character selection screen. The question is whether we treat that as a given or not. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Producer 12:53, 13 October 2014 (EDT) | :::::Just like in Melee, SSB4 directly identifies its clones by their placement on the character selection screen. The question is whether we treat that as a given or not. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Producer 12:53, 13 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
::::::[http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/sakurai-claims-a-lot-of-smash-clone-character-haters-are-children#.VDwfQ_ldW2E|This] is where I got my information and [http://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-the-clone-characters-in-smash-bros-wii-u3ds/#more-175332|this] is the source of said information (which comes from Famitsu) It doesn't look like he actually called any of the clones "clones" so that's a strike in my argument and I have to re-edit the term as unofficial (to be fair, Zelda informer edited their article, since I know clones wasn't bubbled.), but he still put him in the same boat as Lucina and Dark Pit. Additionally, just playing from experience, Dr. Mario is still too similar to Mario to call him a semi-clone. Also, no, a mod liking your post doesn't mean jack for the argument (although the total number of people who liked the post or heck, the post itself might help the argument). [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 15:00, 13 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== SSB4 Luigi == | == SSB4 Luigi == | ||
