User talk:HyperFalcon

Stop

You need to check the time stamp of the previous post before you respond to a discussion. You have been responding to discussions that are years old, discussions which have long been resolved. DoctorPain99 03:46, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

As for the sake of what you are arguing, Pokémon Trainer's design is clearly based off of Red's, not Ash's. Ash has a distinct hat, hairstyle, face and attire that Pokémon Trainer does not share; Pokémon Trainer has the same hat, facial features, hairstyle, and attire that Red does. DoctorPain99 03:48, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

Ah, my bad on the timestamps.

But that does not make him Red. We know what his design is based off of, and that's fine. But we can't call him Red in the literal game since he specifically does not refer to him as Red... in the game. It's why we have to keep information about him literally being Red off the wiki, and only information noting the similarities at best.

The reason his Trophy outright omits any information about Red is that Sakurai didn't put Red in, and that's all there is to it. In fact, that should actually be removed from the regular Pokemon Trainer's trivia page. It's useless and non-factual. That's speculation at best.(considering Red was not literally put in, it doesn't work) HyperFalcon (talk) 03:54, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

I don't believe it is speculative to conclude that he is, for all intents and purposes, Red. The design is literally the same; there's not anyone else he could feasibly be. Pokémon Red/Blue and FireRed/LeafGreen don't specifically refer to him as Red either unless you call him that. Same goes for Link in any Zelda game. However, they're still referred to as Red and Link on their respective Wikis. There's no reason why we shouldn't do the same here. DoctorPain99 03:58, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

Is it clearly speculation by the fact they do not call him Red or refer to him as Red whatsoever. We can't conclude that because of simply a design and nothing else. Link is a bad example, as the character's default is named that and he actually is named Link in Smash. While many different styles of Link has officially appeared in Smash, he still is called it entirely based upon his style and that's it. Adult Link is referred to as Link, Young Link is the same, and Toon Link because of the style. Adult Link was the most famous version due to OOT, so he became the default Link in SSB. Child Link(as Sakurai refers to it for Young or Toon) was another important one, and with a specific name. Yes, him being Red is solely speculation entirely. If he was Red, why does Sakurai not call him that and why does his actual Trophy treat him like a Pokemon Trainer only? I get that he should have been him in Smash, but that doesn't make him it. You're making speculations based upon a design instead of the actual information in the games and website. Also, you're again wrong on the Link stuff. The actual games do talk about Link in-series, same with Zelda. His canon name is Link in both the Zelda series and in Smash Bros. And the problem with that is, he's named Link in Smash, not "Hero" or something like that. Pokemon Trainer does not have an official name beyond that in Smash. To call it official is blatant misinformation. It's unverified in all forms.HyperFalcon (talk) 04:06, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

You totally missed my point about Link, by the way. First of all, the default name of the Trainer in Red and FireRed is Red. Second, the default name of Link in most Zelda games isn't actually Link; it's just blank.

Third, and most important, you forgot that I said Link is referred to as Link on the Zelda Wiki even when he isn't referred to as Link unless specifically named as such. Pokémon Trainer isn't specifically called Red by Smash Bros., but is the same fucking thing as Red in the Pokémon games, so the article can refer to him as Red even though he isn't specifically called that by Smash. DoctorPain99 04:44, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

It's not so much the Zelda Wiki as Nintendo themselves saying it's Link. That's useless evidence too. The article cannot refer to him as Red unless it's under the idea of pure speculation. And no, it's not the same thing as the games. Because, as we know, in every Zelda game, the official Hero's name is Link. This is a stated fact by actual sources, not fan speculation. Brawl, the official website, Sakurai, and every official source refer to him as Pokemon Trainer specifically in Brawl. Unless you want to keep false information up, which I see why you want to, we have to remove the bad information. Also, we have a politeness rule, please calm down and don't swear at me. This is a civil conversation, not some unneeded bickering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HyperFalcon (talk • contribs) 04:49, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

You have continuously failed to provide evidence to demonstrate that this is false information. The only argument you have provided is that "It doesn't say he's Red". But he's still Red; the character is identical to Red in every way (and the trophy said he appeared in FR/LG, which basically confirms that he's Red and not some character that is only in SSB). Unless you actually have significant evidence to refute my claim and state why he is not Red, this discussion will continue to be pointless.

Also, nowhere on this Wiki does it say we have a politeness rule. DoctorPain99 04:55, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

The official game and all official information call him Pokemon Trainer and 100% refer to him as Pokemon Trainer. There is no official information that says he's Red. You have not provided one shred of evidence as proof he is Red at all. You provided a coincidental point that he looks like Red. We do have a rule. "Keep your comments polite and friendly. It's always best to be civil, even if things get heated." So please stop overreacting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HyperFalcon (talk • contribs) 05:04, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

SmashWiki is not censored. And I like how you want this to be civil yet you keep forgetting to sign your comments. Scr7 05:08, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

(edit conflict) Help:talk page is a help page, not a policy.

He doesn't just "look like" Red. He is the exact same thing as Red. It's beyond just a mere resemblance. They are the same. Your argument is based on technicalities and semantics. "Just because they don't say he's Red, means he's not Red/we can't say he's Red." No, that isn't an argument. He's Red. I don't know how you could think it was anyone else or how it could feasibly be anyone else; they're the same in every way except Smash calls him Pokémon Trainer and Pokémon calls him whatever you do. DoctorPain99 05:10, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

I apologize for forgetting to sign my comments. I'm used to forums, not Wiki things. The wiki I normally edit doesn't have signed comments. No, he only looks like Red and that's 100% it. I can't think of him as Red without factual evidence that he is Red. By an official source, not speculation, of which you are providing. And yes, it's easy to think of him as a generic Trainer using Red's design simply because it was the first Trainer design ever created.(and using the updated version for obvious reasons) I understand you want to think he is due to the character design alone. But another issue we come up with is that Red cannot talk in-game, being 100% silent. Yet this guy talks... like Ash. But since he can't be Ash either, we have a giant issue on our hands. That is, we don't know who he is beyond a Generic Trainer(according to all official data, not speculation). And that's it. HyperFalcon (talk) 05:16, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

That's ridiculous. R.O.B. can't shoot lasers outside of Smash, but that doesn't mean that R.O.B. is just some generic robot.

At this point, you're being disruptive. Your claims are completely baseless, over a minor issue or semantics and you're completely ignoring points I have put before you while repeating stuff you have already said over and over. I mentioned that the trophy says Pokémon Trainer makes an appearance in FireRed and LeafGreen, which would clearly indicate the character as Red, as Red is the character in those games, not "generic Pokémon Trainer". You completely ignored this and ranted about how Nintendo and Sakurai never said he was Red so that somehow meant we can't. Lastly, I'd like to point out that SmashWiki is not Official, and that we don't have to always follow the strict, literal officiality of things. This qualifies. If I were you, I'd drop this issue. DoctorPain99 05:26, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

If you want to put up unverified information, be my guest. But there is no verification he's anymore than a generic Trainer. And you're being disruptive as well by being purposely overly rude. And it's too bad this wiki prefers to put non-official information, which I'll respect. I was editing in correct information, since according to the Wiki, we can't put speculation in either.(and him being Red is sadly nothing but)HyperFalcon (talk) 05:29, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

stuff

Don't remove talk page content per SW:TALK DoctorPain99 05:52, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

...I removed the page content I added earlier because of the timestamps. Check exactly when I wrote it, and it was a replying into something years ago. You asked me to check the timestamps, which I did this time around, and removed something that was wrong. Um, why would you put that back when it's a reply to years ago? Something you told me not to do. -_- HyperFalcon (talk) 05:54, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

I meant in the future. DoctorPain99 05:55, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

When you add something to a talk page, it stays unless a) you want to fix typos or b) you need to move it to a more appropriate place. Scr7 05:59, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

The timestamps are still wrong. That's replying to a discussion 5 years ago. I don't know how it showed up as a 2008 thing, but I did many times forget the tildes, which I apologize(d) for. That needs to be removed, unless there's not much reason to. You don't need to remind me for other pages, don't worry. I made sure to remember that the first time you said it. :) Also, please do not swear at me on this page, okay? You already get the message across without it. It's not the swearing itself that bothered me so much as the rudeness part that came with it is unnecessary.HyperFalcon (talk) 06:00, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

There's not much point and its better to not remove it because it provides an archive of all of the comments stated. Also, be careful when an edit conflict happens, you accidently deleted another user's comment. DoctorPain99 06:03, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

Copy and paste of my comment above:

When you add something to a talk page, it stays unless a) you want to fix typos or b) you need to move it to a more appropriate place.

You made a mistake replying to an old comment. Just leave it. Scr7 06:06, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

Again, honest mistake. I never meant to do that. Too bad that one can't be locked(the specific part of the article), but eh. But got it.HyperFalcon (talk) 06:13, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

Signing

It looks like you were using the wrong number of tildes on your Mushroom Kingdom U talk page posts - you used five so only the time showed up. You need to use four so you get the name as well. Toomai Glittershine The Incomprehensible 09:40, 8 June 2014 (EDT)

Ah, thank you kindly. :) However, showing 4 tildes seems to ignore that. Weird. Let me try five on this post... 18:17, 8 June 2014 (EDT)