User talk:94.67.133.161

The Witcher and Warcraft

...has nothing to do with Smash. We are SmashWiki, not everything wiki, and thus focus on Smash. Plus, your additions dive into speculation, and we don't allow that. Please stop adding your edits, thanks! CookiesCreme 16:29, August 25, 2019 (EDT)

Shadow

Not only do you Edit war on that page before being blocked, but the trivia point doesn't make sense. Shadow is not an echo fighter of Sonic since he isn't even a playable character, and the trivia itself is false and volatile, which does not make it a good piece to note. CookiesCreme 22:36, September 27, 2019 (EDT)

Is Smash wiki a representative of Nintendo in a similar way to the one shown in the popular racist Mario video? Is Shadow the Hedgehog hated because of not appearing in many Nintendo games despite being one of the most popular characters in the Sonic franchise? I said that Shadow is the only counterpart of another character in the Smash series who appeared in the game but not as a playable character. I know that there are other characters who used to be assist trophies as counterparts of playable characters but many of them have already made their transition in the latest games thanks to a massive roster. Please correct me if I'm wrong because I don't want to lie but spread interesting ideas instead. Is that wrong? I couldn't think of any other reason to reject my edit other than not accepting the promotion a character that's competing against Nintendo. But can I have a specific example of another major character who is still an assist trophy as a counterpart of a playable character just like Shadow?

To put it shortly: The concept you're trying to spread isn't even a thing in the Smash Bros. series. Also, what is with the "sidekicks" part? The other two Links, Meta Knight, and Incineroar aren't considered "sidekicks" (atleast in Smash) to the characters you're trying to pair them with, and the latter two are sometimes grouped with the villains, so what were you trying to go for? SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 23:04, September 27, 2019 (EDT)

Ok let's dissect this shall we?

"Is Smash wiki a representative of Nintendo in a similar way to the one shown in the popular racist Mario video?"

First off, what are you even talking about? Second, no we are a representation of Smash Bros., not Nintendo.. Third, this really dives into speculation.

"Is Shadow the Hedgehog hated because of not appearing in many Nintendo games despite being one of the most popular characters in the Sonic franchise?"

As far as I know, and you have said, Shadow is one of the most liked characters in Sonic. The hate itself isn't even worthy enough as a trivia point, since a similar scenario has happened with a lot of characters (to name a few, Waluigi, Skull Kid, Geno, pre-Ultimate Ridley, pre-Ultimate Banjo).

"I said that Shadow is the only counterpart of another character in the Smash series who appeared in the game but not as a playable character."

So? What does that have to do with the trivia point, which is practically stating that Shadow should be in the game because x character's rival is in the game. That's really jumping to conclusions.

"I know that there are other characters who used to be assist trophies as counterparts of playable characters but many of them have already made their transition in the latest games thanks to a massive roster."

So what does that have to do with anything? As a matter of fact, their transition was due to being popular Nintendo characters and an easy moveset to make, since it could just be a copy/similar copy to another fighter. Even then, other popular/heavily requested "counterparts" like Lyn and Black Knight aren't in the roster, so that nullifies that point.

"Please correct me if I'm wrong because I don't want to lie but spread interesting ideas instead."

How is this trivia point even remotely interesting? You simply listed a bunch of characters with rivals and counterparts, which doesn't make it special at all. Noting that Shadow isn't in the game despite being a counterpart falls apart when there are many other characters (eg. the ones listed above) that fall under the same category. Trivia like that shouldn't be added for that reason.

"I couldn't think of any other reason to reject my edit other than not accepting the promotion a character that's competing against Nintendo."

...Or that it basically fits 2 qualities that makes it a bad trivia point, specifically the ones I literally mentioned at the start of the post. The wiki has it's rules, and you need to follow them. Also, SmashWiki is not a place for advertisements; we are a wiki, after all.

"But can I have a specific example of another major character who is still an assist trophy as a counterpart of a playable character just like Shadow?"

Again, I've listed those above. I'm just repeating myself at this point.

Your defense is literally based off of the fact that "Shadow should be in Smash, but isn't, despite all these characters having it." That's a terrible basis for a trivia point and is why it's being constantly removed. I suggest taking a good read at our rules first before attempting to make further edits to the wiki. CookiesCreme 23:10, September 27, 2019 (EDT)

Sorry for not using the most appropriate word, but heroic protagonists are usually paralleled with either anti-heroes or villains. Anti-heroes are much different than villains but they are both comparable to characters of good alignment, albeit in a much different way. For example, Wario is an evil Mario, but his negative traits are way different than Bowser's. But I want a specific example of a character as popular as Shadow being an assist trophy but not playable. Isn't Sonic like much more popular, even when exclusively referring to Nintendo, than many franchises that have many more playable characters in the latest Smash games? I honestly find this fact to be very weird.

That itself is false for Smash. To list "a few" that don't: Ness, Lucas, Captain Falcon, Simon, Richter, Joker, Banjo, Shulk, every single Fire Emblem character. They don't have playable villain counterparts or anti-heroes. CookiesCreme 23:12, September 27, 2019 (EDT)