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Joker forward tilt hitbox visualization
↗ Hitbox visualization for Joker's forward tilt angled up Hitbox visualization for Joker's forward tilt with Arsene angled forward
→ Hitbox visualization for Joker's forward tilt Hitbox visualization for Joker's forward tilt with Arsene
↘ Hitbox visualization for Joker's forward tilt angled down Hitbox visualization for Joker's forward tilt with Arsene angled down

Overview

Joker's forward tilt is a very powerful, two hit spacing tool. It has extremely long range, most notably outranging Lucina's forward tilt. Given it's also frame 8, it can be used in neutral against reckless approaches to force the opponent to use other options. Forward tilt can be angled as well, allowing for a high degree of flexibility in its uses (such as the upward angle beating numerous short hop approaches). Given this uses Joker's knife, the disjoint is decently large as well. As a result, forward tilt is often used defensively.

With Arsene active, forward tilt gains a larger disjoint along with a slightly lingering hitbox, improving its utility when it comes to stopping approaches. It also becomes slightly stronger, with +15 base Knockback and +1 Knockback Growth, and added damage from Arsene. Given the base knockback gets the highest increase, this means that the move will send opponents further away at lower percentages, allowing it to further be used as a defensive option. In addition, there is a shieldstun multiplier of 2 applied to the second hit, improving its safety on shield slightly. Given the way Arsene works, if Joker hits on Frame 19, Arsene will connect on Frame 20, effectively giving the hitboxes a slight extension.

All of forward tilt's angles also have different knockback stats. Angled up has a substantial increase (+15 - +18) compared to the other two, although with an angle of 45. It is most optimal to angle forward tilt downwards when it comes to going for the KO; especially with Arsene. This is because downward angled forward tilt also has a knockback angle of 25, which is a solid semi-spike angle for gimping if the player is facing characters like Little Mac. This angle is also substantially harder to DI than the others.

On shield, forward tilt remains the same regardless of angle: -22 on Hit 1, and -15 on Hit 2[1]. While this sounds unsafe, Hit 2's formidable range makes it very safe when spaced correctly. In addition, Arsene makes it just -11, with very few characters being able to punish it without Joker being able to respond. As a result, this move can be used in neutral as a niche shield pressure option while Arsene is around.

In terms of safety on hit, the safest version is the angled up one, being +6 at 0%[2]. However, the low angled variant KOs the earliest, although the advantage becomes more consistent at around 125% (+19 Unangled, +21 Up, +18 Low on Mario). If a Joker player wishes to go for maximum hit advantage, starting with the up angled variant and gradually moving to the lower angled one is a viable strategy to make use of.

Hitboxes

Angled upwards

ID Part Rehit rate Damage SD Angle Angle type BK KS FKV Set weight Radius Bone Offset H× SDI× T% Clang Rebound Effect Type G A Sound Direct Hit bits Hit part Blockable Reflectable Absorbable Flinchless No GFX Heedless
Hit 1
1 0 0 3.0% 0   Standard 0 100 10   2.5 knife 0.0 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
2 0 0 3.0% 0   Standard 0 100 25   2.5 knife 0.0 -3.0 to 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
Hit 2
2 0 0 5.0% 0   Standard 45 128 0   2.5 knife 0.0 -3.0 to 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
Hit 1 uses weight-independent knockback.

Angled forwards

ID Part Rehit rate Damage SD Angle Angle type BK KS FKV Set weight Radius Bone Offset H× SDI× T% Clang Rebound Effect Type G A Sound Direct Hit bits Hit part Blockable Reflectable Absorbable Flinchless No GFX Heedless
Hit 1
1 0 0 3.0% 0   Standard 0 100 20   2.5 knife 0.0 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
2 0 0 3.0% 0   Standard 0 100 20   2.5 knife 0.0 -3.0 to 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
Hit 2
2 0 0 5.0% 0   Standard 45 110 0   2.5 knife 0.0 -3.0 to 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
Hit 1 uses weight-independent knockback.

Angled downwards

ID Part Rehit rate Damage SD Angle Angle type BK KS FKV Set weight Radius Bone Offset H× SDI× T% Clang Rebound Effect Type G A Sound Direct Hit bits Hit part Blockable Reflectable Absorbable Flinchless No GFX Heedless
Hit 1
1 0 0 3.0% 0   Standard 0 100 10   2.5 knife 0.0 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
2 0 0 3.0% 0   Standard 0 100 20   2.5 knife 0.0 -3.0 to 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
Hit 2
2 0 0 5.0% 0   Standard 45 105 0   2.5 knife 0.0 -3.0 to 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
Hit 1 uses weight-independent knockback.

Arsene + Awakened Joker Hitboxes

While Arsene is active, two hitboxes get added onto Joker's forward tilt. These take up Hitbox ID positions 0 (Arsene's hit) and 1 (Awakened Joker's hit) on Hit 2, unless the move is angled upwards, in which case they are swapped. These are put in the order given in Ruben's Data Viewer[3]. Arsene is coded to hit the frame after Hit 2 connects.

Angled upwards

ID Part Rehit rate Damage SD Angle Angle type BK KS FKV Set weight Radius Bone Offset H× SDI× T% Clang Rebound Effect Type G A Sound Direct Hit bits Hit part Blockable Reflectable Absorbable Flinchless No GFX Heedless Shieldstun
Hit 2 Awakened Joker
0 0 0 5.0% 0   Standard 60 121 0   4.0 knife 0.0 3.5 to 4.5 0.0 1.7× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All             2x
Hit 2 Arsene
1 1 0 5.0% 0   Standard 60 121 0   4.0 knife 0.0 3.5 to 4.5 0.0 1.7× 1.0× 0%               Fire   All All             2x

Angled forwards

ID Part Rehit rate Damage SD Angle Angle type BK KS FKV Set weight Radius Bone Offset H× SDI× T% Clang Rebound Effect Type G A Sound Direct Hit bits Hit part Blockable Reflectable Absorbable Flinchless No GFX Heedless Shieldstun
Hit 2 Awakened Joker
1 0 0 5.0% 0   Standard 60 106 0   4.0 knife 0.0 0.5 to 3.5 0.0 1.7× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All             2x
Hit 2 Arsene
0 1 0 5.0% 0   Standard 60 106 0   4.0 knife 0.0 0.5 to 3.5 0.0 1.7× 1.0× 0%               Fire   All All             2x

Angled downwards

ID Part Rehit rate Damage SD Angle Angle type BK KS FKV Set weight Radius Bone Offset H× SDI× T% Clang Rebound Effect Type G A Sound Direct Hit bits Hit part Blockable Reflectable Absorbable Flinchless No GFX Heedless Shieldstun
Hit 2 Awakened Joker
1 0 0 5.0% 0   Standard 60 106 0   4.0 knife 0.0 0.5 to 2.5 0.0 1.7× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All             2x
Hit 2 Arsene
0 1 0 5.0% 0   Standard 60 106 0   4.0 knife 0.0 0.5 to 2.5 0.0 1.7× 1.0× 0%               Fire   All All             2x

Timing

Normal Joker

Hitboxes 8-9, 13-15
Interruptible 35
Animation length 79
                                                                                                                                                             

Arsene active

Note that Arsene himself will hit on the next frame after an opponent is hit. As a result, it is possible for him to hit on Frame 20. If he leaves during the attack, the hit will still occur.

Hitboxes 8-9, 13-19
Interruptible 35
Animation length 79
                                                                                                                                                             
Legend (1 square = 1 frame)
 
Lag time		  
Hitbox		  
Interruptible
  1. ^ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rpBbWlrD_nEhWwWy6IlaObaEumy1xZJisk7Y7db137E/edit?usp=sharing
  2. ^ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ANcZM1Lk6P1ZXP46NemrzS7ROnIMrKfD43ednaHCdiM/edit?usp=sharing
  3. ^ https://rubendal.github.io/ssbu/#/Character/Joker

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