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===Votes for Miles' second template===
===Votes for Miles' second template===
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I know that the discussion about revising this template was less than two years ago, but since then we've had many new characters and new game in development. I find it increasingly difficult to use the template at all, since even though it's alphabetically sorted, it's hard on the eyes, and the logos for ''Brawl,'' ''SSB4,'' and ''Ultimate'' just clutter up an already clustered template. If everyone else is fine with this template I'll put up with it but I think that there's now much more room for improvement than there was in the past. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 13:06, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
I know that the discussion about revising this template was less than two years ago, but since then we've had many new characters and new game in development. I find it increasingly difficult to use the template at all, since even though it's alphabetically sorted, it's hard on the eyes, and the logos for ''Brawl,'' ''SSB4,'' and ''Ultimate'' just clutter up an already clustered template. If everyone else is fine with this template I'll put up with it but I think that there's now much more room for improvement than there was in the past. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 13:06, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
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-->{{head|Wii Fit Trainer|g=SSB4|s=16px}} {{b|Wii Fit|Final Smash}}{{·}} <!--
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-->{{head|Bowser Jr.|s=16px}} [[Shadow Mario Paint]]{{·}} <!--
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-->{{head|Chrom|s=16px}} [[Awakening Aether]]{{·}} <!--
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-->{{head|Dark Pit|s=16px}} [[Dark Pit Staff]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Dark Samus|s=16px}} [[Zero Laser]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Dr. Mario|s=16px}} [[Doctor Finale]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Duck Hunt|s=16px}} [[NES Zapper Posse]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ganondorf|s=16px}} [[Beast Ganon]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Greninja|s=16px}} [[Secret Ninja Attack]]{{·}} <!--
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-->{{head|Ike|s=16px}} [[Great Aether]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Inkling|s=16px}} [[Killer Wail]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Jigglypuff|s=16px}} [[Puff Up]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|King K. Rool|s=16px}} [[Blast-O-Matic]]{{·}} <!--
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-->{{head|Link|s=16px}} [[Ancient Bow and Arrow]]{{·}} <!--
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-->{{head|Lucina|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]{{·}} <!--
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-->{{head|Mewtwo|s=16px}} [[Psystrike]]{{·}} <!--
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-->{{head|Mr. Game & Watch|s=16px}} [[Octopus]]{{·}} <!--
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-->{{head|Olimar|s=16px}} [[End of Day]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pac-Man|s=16px}} [[Super Pac-Man]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Palutena|s=16px}} [[Black Hole Laser]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pichu|s=16px}} [[Volt Tackle]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pikachu|s=16px}} [[Volt Tackle]]{{·}} <!--
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-->{{head|Roy|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ryu|s=16px}} [[Shin Shoryuken / Shinku Hadoken]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Samus|s=16px}} [[Zero Laser]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Shulk|s=16px}} [[Chain Attack]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Simon|s=16px}} [[Grand Cross]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Sonic|s=16px}} [[Super Sonic]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Toon Link|s=16px}} [[Triforce Slash]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Villager|s=16px}} [[Dream Home]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Wario|s=16px}} [[Wario-Man]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Wii Fit Trainer|s=16px}} {{b|Wii Fit|Final Smash}}{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Zelda|s=16px}} [[Triforce of Wisdom]]
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:Somewhat based on one that Miles had proposed before, this time sorted by character instead of name (which is what he did). We would obviously add to this when we find out names of other Final Smashes in Ultimate. We could remove the head icons and list the Final Smashes by name instead, but I think the head icons make it better because it associates the Final Smashes with the different characters. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 12:34, 10 September 2018 (EDT)
:'''Support''', definitely makes things more organized. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 21:50, 10 September 2018 (EDT)
'''Opinion: Delete.''' See my comments from the past: this template is the only one of its kind, we don't really need it when we have categories, and it's a mess. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Obfuscating 21:53, 10 September 2018 (EDT)
::'''Opinion: Keep.''' The template is quite helpful for jumping between characters' special moves. --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 22:04, 10 September 2018 (EDT)
'''Keep''' but each game gets only new final smashes (so like Rocket Barrel Barrage is only listed in Brawl) <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]]&nbsp;[[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 09:20, 11 September 2018 (EDT)
I'm glad that this has gotten responses, and based on the responses, it looks like there's agreement on the fact that the template needs some manner of change. One such option is deletion, as Toomai has suggested, but I don't like that approach, because otherwise, why have templates at all if you can just use categories (a manner of searching for articles that I am not fond of)? But I suppose there is some logic to that - we would just need to codify rules regarding what kinds of things should be in templates.
Personally, I '''support Serpent King's suggestion.''' Just seems to be the best option for cutting down on clutter and remaining consistent with other templates like the character template and item templates, while still keeping the template in the first place. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 18:18, 11 September 2018 (EDT)
Since discussion over this has gone by and the template remained unchanged, I thought I'd bump this with how the template would look like, following SerpentKing's suggestion:
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-->{{head|Diddy Kong|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Rocketbarrel Barrage]]{{·}} <!--
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-->{{head|Lucas|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[PK Starstorm]]{{·}} <!--=
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-->{{head|Meta Knight|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Galaxia Darkness]]{{·}} <!--
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-->{{head|Toon Link|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Triforce Slash]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Wario|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Wario-Man]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Wolf|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Landmaster]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Yoshi|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Super Dragon]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Zelda|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Light Arrow]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Zero Suit Samus|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Power Suit Samus]]
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-->{{head|Bowser Jr.|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Shadow Mario Paint]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Charizard|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Mega Charizard X]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Cloud|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Omnislash]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Corrin|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Torrential Roar]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Dark Pit|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Dark Pit Staff]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Dr. Mario|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Doctor Finale]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Duck Hunt|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[NES Zapper Posse]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Greninja|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Secret Ninja Attack]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|King Dedede|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Dedede Burst]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Kirby|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Ultra Sword]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Little Mac|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Giga Mac]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Lucario|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Mega Lucario]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Lucina|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mega Man|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Mega Legends]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mewtwo|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Psystrike]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mii Brawler|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Omega Blitz]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mii Gunner|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Full Blast]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mii Swordfighter|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Final Edge]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pac-Man|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Super Pac-Man]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Palutena|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Black Hole Laser]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pit|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Three Sacred Treasures]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|R.O.B.|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Super Diffusion Beam]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Robin|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Pair Up]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Rosalina|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Power Star]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Roy|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ryu|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Shin Shoryuken / Shinku Hadoken]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Shulk|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Chain Attack]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Villager|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Dream Home]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Wii Fit Trainer|g=SSB4|s=16px}} {{b|Wii Fit|Final Smash}}{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Zero Suit Samus|g=SSB4|s=16px}} {{b|Gunship|Final Smash}}
|group3=in ''Ultimate''
|list3={{head|Chrom|s=16px}} [[Awakening Aether]]{{·}} <!--
{{head|Daisy|s=16px}} [[]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Dark Samus|s=16px}} [[Zero Laser]]{{·}} <!--
{{head|Donkey Kong|s=16px}} [[]]{{·}} <!--
{{head|Falco|s=16px}} [[]]{{·}} <!--
{{head|Fox|s=16px}} [[]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Incineroar|s=16px}} [[Max Malicious Moonsault]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Inkling|s=16px}} [[Killer Wail]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Isabelle|s=16px}} [[Dream Town Hall]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ken|s=16px}} [[Shippu Jinraikyaku / Shinryuken]]{{·}} <!--
{{head|King Dedede|s=16px}} [[]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|King K. Rool|s=16px}} [[Blast-O-Matic]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Link|s=16px}} [[Ancient Bow and Arrow]]{{·}} <!--
{{head|Meta Knight|s=16px}} [[]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pichu|s=16px}} [[Volt Tackle]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Piranha Plant|s=16px}} {{b|Petey Piranha|Final Smash}}{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pit|s=16px}} [[Lightning Chariot]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Richter|s=16px}} [[Grand Cross]]{{·}} <!--
{{head|Ridley|s=16px}} [[]]{{·}} <!--
{{head|R.O.B.|s=16px}} [[]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Simon|s=16px}} [[Grand Cross]]{{·}} <!--
{{head|Sheik|s=16px}} [[]]{{·}} <!--
{{head|Snake|s=16px}} [[]]{{·}} <!--
{{head|Wolf|s=16px}} [[]]{{·}} <!--
{{head|Yoshi|s=16px}} [[]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Zelda|s=16px}} [[Triforce of Wisdom]] <!--
{{head|Zero Suit Samus|s=16px}} [[]] -->
}}
This to me seems like the best way the template could look currently without it being a garbled mess of words, and I'm personally against removing it altogether.
Keeping this tidy is especially important with ''Ultimate'' coming out and having upcoming DLC fighters' Final Smashes clutter up the template even more than it is currently, and I'd rather not have it be as it is currently when a new game comes up with ''more'' Final Smashes to add up.
Because of this, I'll (hopefully) be putting this topic to rest with a final vote before ''Ultimate'' releases: whether you support the re-do or wish to keep the template as it is. — [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=]] [[User:Nokii|'''{{color|#8090d8|Nokii}}''']] (''[[User_talk:Nokii|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Nokii|C]]·[[Special:Log/Nokii|L]]'') 19:06, 13 November 2018 (EST)
I'm going to bump this once again, because now we have more information and can either:
:A. make it more organized, or
:B. delete the thing entirely.
If it were to be more organized, I present (albeit slightly edited from before) the revision I presented above:
{{Navbox
|name=FinalSmash
|title=[[Final Smash]]es
|group1=in ''Brawl''
|list1={{head|Bowser|g=SSBB|s=16px}} {{b|Giga Bowser|Final Smash}}{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Captain Falcon|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Blue Falcon]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Diddy Kong|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Rocketbarrel Barrage]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Donkey Kong|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Konga Beat]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Falco|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Landmaster]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Fox|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Landmaster]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ganondorf|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Beast Ganon]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ice Climbers|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Iceberg]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ike|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Great Aether]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Jigglypuff|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Puff Up]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|King Dedede|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Waddle Dee Army]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Kirby|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Cook Kirby]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Link|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Triforce Slash]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Lucario|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Aura Storm]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Lucas|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[PK Starstorm]]{{·}} <!--=
-->{{head|Luigi|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Negative Zone]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mario|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Mario Finale]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Marth|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Meta Knight|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Galaxia Darkness]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mr. Game & Watch|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Octopus]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ness|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[PK Starstorm]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Olimar|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[End of Day]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Peach|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Peach Blossom]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pikachu|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Volt Tackle]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pit|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Palutena's Army]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pokémon Trainer|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Triple Finish]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|R.O.B.|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Diffusion Beam]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Samus|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Zero Laser]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Sheik|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Light Arrow]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Snake|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Grenade Launcher]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Sonic|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Super Sonic]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Toon Link|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Triforce Slash]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Wario|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Wario-Man]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Wolf|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Landmaster]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Yoshi|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Super Dragon]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Zelda|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Light Arrow]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Zero Suit Samus|g=SSBB|s=16px}} [[Power Suit Samus]]
|group2=in ''SSB4''
|list2={{head|Bayonetta|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Infernal Climax]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Bowser|g=SSB4|s=16px}} {{b|Giga Bowser|Final Smash}}{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Bowser Jr.|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Shadow Mario Paint]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Captain Falcon|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Blue Falcon]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Charizard|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Mega Charizard X]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Cloud|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Omnislash]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Corrin|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Torrential Roar]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Dark Pit|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Dark Pit Staff]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Diddy Kong|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Rocketbarrel Barrage]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Donkey Kong|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Konga Beat]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Dr. Mario|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Doctor Finale]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Duck Hunt|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[NES Zapper Posse]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Falco|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Landmaster]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Fox|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Landmaster]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ganondorf|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Beast Ganon]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Greninja|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Secret Ninja Attack]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ike|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Great Aether]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Jigglypuff|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Puff Up]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|King Dedede|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Dedede Burst]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Kirby|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Ultra Sword]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Link|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Triforce Slash]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Little Mac|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Giga Mac]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Lucario|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Mega Lucario]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Lucas|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[PK Starstorm]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Lucina|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Luigi|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Poltergust 5000]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mario|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Mario Finale]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Marth|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mega Man|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Mega Legends]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Meta Knight|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Galaxia Darkness]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mewtwo|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Psystrike]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mii Brawler|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Omega Blitz]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mii Gunner|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Full Blast]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mii Swordfighter|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Final Edge]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mr. Game & Watch|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Octopus]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ness|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[PK Starstorm]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Olimar|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[End of Day]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pac-Man|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Super Pac-Man]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Palutena|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Black Hole Laser]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Peach|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Peach Blossom]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pikachu|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Volt Tackle]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pit|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Three Sacred Treasures]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|R.O.B.|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Super Diffusion Beam]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Robin|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Pair Up]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Rosalina|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Power Star]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Roy|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ryu|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Shin Shoryuken / Shinku Hadoken]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Samus|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Zero Laser]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Sheik|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Light Arrow]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Shulk|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Chain Attack]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Sonic|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Super Sonic]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Toon Link|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Triforce Slash]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Villager|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Dream Home]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Wario|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Wario-Man]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Wii Fit Trainer|g=SSB4|s=16px}} {{b|Wii Fit|Final Smash}}{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Yoshi|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Super Dragon]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Zelda|g=SSB4|s=16px}} [[Light Arrow]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Zero Suit Samus|g=SSB4|s=16px}} {{b|Gunship|Final Smash}}
|group3=in ''Ultimate''
|list3={{head|Bayonetta|s=16px}} [[Infernal Climax]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Bowser|s=16px}} [[Giga Bowser Punch]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Bowser Jr.|s=16px}} [[Shadow Mario Paint]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Captain Falcon|s=16px}} [[Blue Falcon]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Chrom|s=16px}} [[Awakening Aether]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Cloud|s=16px}} [[Omnislash]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Corrin|s=16px}} [[Torrential Roar]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Daisy|s=16px}} [[Daisy Blossom]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Dark Pit|s=16px}} [[Dark Pit Staff]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Dark Samus|s=16px}} [[Phazon Laser]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Diddy Kong|s=16px}} [[Hyper Rocketbarrel]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Donkey Kong|s=16px}} [[Jungle Rush]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Dr. Mario|s=16px}} [[Doctor Finale]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Duck Hunt|s=16px}} [[NES Zapper Posse]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Falco|s=16px}} [[Team Star Fox]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Fox|s=16px}} [[Team Star Fox]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ganondorf|s=16px}} [[Beast Ganon]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Greninja|s=16px}} [[Secret Ninja Attack]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ice Climbers|s=16px}} [[Iceberg]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ike|s=16px}} [[Great Aether]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|incineroar|s=16px}} [[Max Malicious Moonsault]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Inkling|s=16px}} [[Killer Wail]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Isabelle|s=16px}} [[Dream Town Hall]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Jigglypuff|s=16px}} [[Puff Up]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ken|s=16px}} [[Shippu Jinraikyaku / Shinryuken]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|King Dedede|s=16px}} [[Dede-Rush]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|King K. Rool|s=16px}} [[Blast-O-Matic]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Kirby|s=16px}} [[Ultra Sword]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Link|s=16px}} [[Ancient Bow and Arrow]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Little Mac|s=16px}} [[Giga Mac Rush]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Lucario|s=16px}} [[Aura Storm]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Lucas|s=16px}} [[PK Starstorm]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Lucina|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Luigi|s=16px}} [[Poltergust G-00]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mario|s=16px}} [[Mario Finale]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Marth|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mega Man|s=16px}} [[Mega Legends]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Meta Knight|s=16px}} [[Darkness Illusion]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mewtwo|s=16px}} [[Psystrike]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mii Brawler|s=16px}} [[Omega Blitz]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mii Gunner|s=16px}} [[Full Blast]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mii Swordfighter|s=16px}} [[Final Edge]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Mr. Game & Watch|s=16px}} [[Octopus]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ness|s=16px}} [[PK Starstorm]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Olimar|s=16px}} [[End of Day]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pac-Man|s=16px}} [[Super Pac-Man]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Palutena|s=16px}} [[Black Hole Laser]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pichu|s=16px}} [[Volt Tackle]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pikachu|s=16px}} [[Volt Tackle]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pit|s=16px}} [[Lightning Chariot]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Pokémon Trainer|s=16px}} [[Triple Finish]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Richter|s=16px}} [[Grand Cross]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ridley|s=16px}} [[Plasma Scream]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|R.O.B.|s=16px}} [[Guided Robo Beam]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Robin|s=16px}} [[Pair Up]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Rosalina|s=16px}} [[Grand Star]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Roy|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Ryu|s=16px}} [[Shin Shoryuken / Shinku Hadoken]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Samus|s=16px}} [[Zero Laser]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Sheik|s=16px}} [[Sheikah Dance]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Shulk|s=16px}} [[Chain Attack]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Simon|s=16px}} [[Grand Cross]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Snake|s=16px}} [[Covering Fire]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Sonic|s=16px}} [[Super Sonic]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Toon Link|s=16px}} [[Triforce Slash]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Villager|s=16px}} [[Dream Home]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Wario|s=16px}} [[Wario-Man]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Wii Fit Trainer|s=16px}} {{b|Wii Fit|Final Smash}}{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Wolf|s=16px}} [[Team Star Wolf]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Yoshi|s=16px}} [[Stampede!]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Young Link|s=16px}} [[Triforce Slash]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Zero Suit Samus|s=16px}} [[Zero Laser]]{{·}} <!--
-->{{head|Zelda|s=16px}} [[Triforce of Wisdom]]
}}
I hold a '''neutral''' opinion myself; on one hand, I do think it shouldn't be deleted, as the Final Smashes <s>are cool</s> are the Smash equivalent of [[wikipedia:Street Fighter|Super Arts]]/[[wikipedia:Marvel vs. Capcom|Hyper Combos]]/[[wikipedia:Mortal Kombat|Fatalities]]/[[wikipedia:Skullgirls|Blockbusters]], and having them easily accessible in a place that isn't a category would be reasonable; that said, they are also all easily accessible on [[Final Smash|the page that describes them]], so it wouldn't be the end of the world if it went, but that might mean a bit more organization is needed on the page itself. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Festive Rurouni'''</span>]] 15:05, 27 November 2018 (EST)
I definitely '''oppose deletion'''. I like Aidan's proposal, but would really be fine with any of the tweaks suggested so far. [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 18:40, 27 November 2018 (EST)

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