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I noticed in a couple of sections above that there was some talk about removing the allgames parameter and having relevant articles list all four icons individually, and that there was some support for this idea. Having just spent a lot of time organizing the Techniques category and dealing with a very similar issue recently, allow me to just put out there that I would heavily '''oppose''' any removal. | I noticed in a couple of sections above that there was some talk about removing the allgames parameter and having relevant articles list all four icons individually, and that there was some support for this idea. Having just spent a lot of time organizing the Techniques category and dealing with a very similar issue recently, allow me to just put out there that I would heavily '''oppose''' any removal. | ||
In general, whenever a new game comes out, the number of elements carried over from previous games (e.g. [[short hop]], most characters) is '''''much''''' greater than the number of elements that are lost (e.g. [[edge-hogging]], cut characters). With the allgames parameter, only the latter significantly smaller number of articles need to be gone back to and changed, while without it, every single article that had all the games listed would have to be changed. Additionally, it's easier to identify | In general, whenever a new game comes out, the number of elements carried over from previous games (e.g. [[short hop]], most characters) is '''''much''''' greater than the number of elements that are lost (e.g. [[edge-hogging]], cut characters). With the allgames parameter, only the latter significantly smaller number of articles need to be gone back to and changed, while without it, every single article that had all the games listed would have to be changed. Additionally, it's easier to identify/enumerate all the articles that need removal compared to all the articles that need updating to include the new game. Why pick the option that both increases the clutter at the top of a page source (only ~22 bytes, but still) and causes a greater number of articles to be outdated/inaccurate for a longer time? (For a side example, see some of my recent edits - there are loads of pages here whose explanations still imply that Brawl is the most recent game. It's the difference between manually specifying everything and using more general terms, such as "In ''Melee'' and ''Brawl''" compared to "From ''Melee'' onward".) [[User:Zowayix|Zowayix]] ([[User talk:Zowayix|talk]]) 04:45, 25 December 2015 (EST) | ||
:'''Oppose''' removal because some mechanics are core to the series and probably will never be removed (like knockback). [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:#090">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: #f00;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 10:27, 25 December 2015 (EST) | :'''Oppose''' removal because some mechanics are core to the series and probably will never be removed (like knockback). [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:#090">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: #f00;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 10:27, 25 December 2015 (EST) | ||
::That's what the "series" icon is for though. "allgames" is for characters and items and such. Because of this, I say that it should be removed, as it just majorly increases our workload, whereas if we abolish it, we save a lot of time and work initially as we can just add the new game icon as things are revealed. I ''support'' removing it entirely. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 10:56, 25 December 2015 (EST) | ::That's what the "series" icon is for though. "allgames" is for characters and items and such. Because of this, I say that it should be removed, as it just majorly increases our workload, whereas if we abolish it, we save a lot of time and work initially as we can just add the new game icon as things are revealed. I ''support'' removing it entirely. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 10:56, 25 December 2015 (EST) | ||
:::I'm | :::I'm aware of the difference between allgames and series. My exact argument is that removing the allgames parameter will cause ''more'' workload than keeping it. Just using the techniques page as an example, there's ''loads'' of techniques and countless other pages that are naturally carried over from previous games, like the aforementioned short hopping. Who's going to remember every one of them, and go back to manually add the hypothetical Smash 5 icon to each individual article one by one? That's going to leave a large number of articles outdated for an indeterminate amount of time, and it's certainly not the case that everything can be covered just by adding things as they are revealed. (As I mentioned earlier, even now you can find a bunch of articles with sections that still imply ''Brawl'' is the latest game.) The list of things that are cut as opposed to carried over is much shorter. Would you rather have to manually remember to stick the Smash 5 icon on everything from [[Training Mode]], [[CPU mode]], [[List of voice actors]], [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Freeze_frame&diff=580700&oldid=523735 Freeze frame], [[How to Play]], [[Team Battle]] and so on, or remember to revert pages like [[Target Smash]]? My argument is that it's ''much'' easier to remember everything that's been removed, compared to everything that's still there. | ||
:::I will state that there's a case for avoiding the allgames parameter for ''specific'' article types that are specifically easy to enumerate, such as characters, stages, and items. But | :::I will state that there's a case for avoiding the allgames parameter for ''specific'' article types that are specifically easy to enumerate, such as characters, stages, and items. But do not remove allgames entirely from all pages. [[User:Zowayix|Zowayix]] ([[User talk:Zowayix|talk]]) 21:22, 25 December 2015 (EST) | ||
::::Whoops, my bad. I still '''oppose''' per Zowayix. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:#090">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: #f00;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 21:37, 25 December 2015 (EST) | ::::Whoops, my bad. I still '''oppose''' per Zowayix. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:#090">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: #f00;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 21:37, 25 December 2015 (EST) | ||