Editing Talk:Zero Suit Samus (SSBB)

== Down Special --> Footstool Jump ==

Keep it at:
''If she tries to [[footstool]] jump during her Down B, she gets a special jump that gives her an extremely long horizontal range. This can also be used on teammates and the [[Sandbag.]]''
Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQeG3Pvpp-A
kthxbai
:It works on heart containers too, so it's not just fsj. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] 23:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)



== ZSS speaks English in the Japanese version of SSBB...?! ==
I have the Japanese version of SSBB and I tried ZSS...I taunted and she didn't speak Japanese...I'm just noting this...Because nobody has noted this yet... [[User:I like cheese|I like cheese]] ([[User talk:I like cheese|talk]]) 05:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

==2004?==
mm, she actually debuted in the original metroid if you did good enough... [[User:Kperfekt722|Kperfekt722]] ([[User talk:Kperfekt722|talk]]) 01:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:No, actually she didn't. While Samus did take off her Power Suit in ''Metroid'', the suit she had underneath was not the Zero suit. If her name was "Suitless Samus", then you might have an argument, but as the very name "''Zero'' Suit Samus" confirms, she originated from ''Metroid:'' '''''Zero''''' ''Mission''.  --[[User:Bman87301|Bman87301]] ([[User talk:Bman87301|talk]]) 21:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== CPUs ==
Is there a way to make CPUs start as ZSS?
:As the article itself says, there is not, apart from tournys.[[User:Bek The Conqueror|Bek The Conqueror]] ([[User talk:Bek The Conqueror|talk]]) 17:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

==Should we mention the Metal ZSS thing?==

You know, the thing about her looking...naked? [[User:Madara uchiha99|Madara uchiha99]] <sup>([[User_talk:Madara uchiha99|talk]])</sup>, <small>'''Kanji:''' うちは マダラ 九十九, '''Romaji:''' Uchiha madara kyū-jū-kyū </small> 01:59, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

What? No.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 02:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, DUH!!!! [[User:Madara uchiha99|Madara uchiha99]] <sup>([[User_talk:Madara uchiha99|talk]])</sup>, <small>'''Kanji:''' うちは マダラ 九十九, '''Romaji:''' Uchiha madara kyū-jū-kyū </small> 03:33, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:So you asked why...?'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 20:02, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Naked?  Are you insinuating that this is a bad thing?  For shame!
[[User:Rogueduelist89|Rogueduelist89]] ([[User talk:Rogueduelist89|talk]]) 20:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


lolz--[[Special:Contributions/71.175.234.58|71.175.234.58]] 05:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== edit war ==

Changing "can't take as many hit as standard Samus" to weak attacks or something like that - It goes without saying ZSS can't take many hits if she's light 

Removing the thing about her learning curve and how deadly she is - That's an opinion. Besides, if she was incredibly deadly, don't you think she would be in the S or even A tier? 

Adding how she has weak attacks overall in terms of knockback- Have you compared and contrast ZSS to other Brawl characters? Seriously, ZSS has really hard time killing when compared to other SSBB characters. 

Adding how her recovery can be stopped by edge-hogging. - Tether recoveries can't grab the ledge if someone else is grabing it. Because ZSS's only other recovery option is her down special (which covers very little distance), her recovery can be stopped by it. 

I think that's it. If there anything else I forgot that you want to know just ask. But please, stop editing ZSS back to the way it was before I edited it unless you can rebut my above points. Enigmatic Mr. L (talk) 02:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:I don't understand why the edit I just made was removed. I explained why I did them in the comment summary, but I will post them here again.

:Why is it keep being said here that ZSS has weak attacks/little killing power? I've played as her long enough to know this isn't true, just because she doesn't have the firepower of Samus. Her side B move is powerful, all of her aerials (minus the down) have good killing power, and her flip jump + kick is often reliable enough for ko-ing.

:As for her recovery being stopped by edgehogging, I do not necessarily think that is true either. Often her jump + flip jump is enough to get back on stage. Unless she is that far away, if an opponent edgehogs there is a strong chance of them either being hit by her whip or being dragged down by ZSS. Very rarely have I had a problem with being edgehogged as ZSS. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:69.121.10.106|69.121.10.106]] ([[User talk:69.121.10.106|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.121.10.106|contribs]]) </small>

First, about her killing power: You just said she doesn't have the firepower of Samus.  If you would take a look at the [[Samus (SSBB)]] article, you would see that Samus has an "extreme lack of killing power", so calling ZSS weaker than Samus is autamaticlly calling her weak.  All of ZSS's throws, tilts, and smashes are very weak.  Her aerials, side special, and flip jump + kick generally don't kill until at least 100% damage, which means ZSS lacks an early KO move. She is reliant on racking up damage and edge-guarding for kills.

Second, about her recovery and edge-hogging: On one hand, her tether reaches longer than the normal attack hitboxes. This means that if she's edgehogged from a greater distance, she can't even retaliate, whereas some other tethers like [[Pikmin Chain]] and [[Vine Whip]] can sometimes at least get a hit in.  On the other hand, her decent air speed, decent double jump, and Flip Jump usually get ZSS close enough to recover.  If you want to remove that part about edge-hogging, it's fine by me now.  However, as mentioned above, I still think ZSS is weak. [[User:Enigmatic Mr. L|Enigmatic Mr. L]] ([[User talk:Enigmatic Mr. L|talk]]) 16:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

..I didn't know that if a character lacks a move that can kill at 50% or so they're labeled as "weak." I still don't agree with that, but I'll change the part about edgehogging. {{unsigned|69.121.10.106|22:06, 29 June 2009}}
:<s>'''No, you will not.''' The purpose of an ''Edit War'' section on a talk page is for consensus to be reached between the warring editors. If you edit "Zero Suit Samus" in such a way again without consensus being reached on this page, you will be blocked from editing. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 21:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)</s>
:I was under the impression that consensus hadn't been reached (especially as I think her recovery is edgehoggable/punishable) but apparently it had. Her air speed, her second jump, and her Flip Jump are all okay for getting her back to the the stage, but her Flip Jump is punishable (as she doesn't get it back if she's hit after using it and she can't land on fall-through platforms until she's at the same height that she started from) and her tether is unreliable (easily edgehogged). I know she's B Tier, so she must have a good recovery, but I still think that line should stay. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 22:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== Transforming from Samus to ZSS in Brawls ==

Easy? Yeah, right. {{User:BrawlFan181/Sig|>:(}}
Yeah, I can't do it either... I choose samus and a CPU player, and hold down the L-button before and after I choose a stage but all I get is the power suit...I tried a Wii remote too, what am I doing wrong?! Someone plz tell me she's more better for me without her suit.--[[User:Malon Girl5|Malon girl5]] ([[User talk:Malon Girl5|talk]]) 21:20, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

== ...... ==

Can anyone tell me what exactly the lights on the Zero Suit's purpose was in the Metroid universe? It's kinda bugging me.

== ...... ==

Can anyone tell me what exactly the lights on the Zero Suit's purpose was in the Metroid universe? It's kinda bugging me. [[User:Lumanaru|Lumanaru]] ([[User talk:Lumanaru|talk]]) 02:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
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 Keep it at:
-''If she tries to [[footstool]] jump during her Down B, she gets a special jump that gives her an extremely long horizontal range. This can also be used on teammates and the [[Sandbag]]''
+''If she tries to [[footstool]] jump during her Down B, she gets a special jump that gives her an extremely long horizontal range. This can also be used on teammates and the [[Sandbag.]]''
 Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQeG3Pvpp-A
 kthxbai
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 Second, about her recovery and edge-hogging: On one hand, her tether reaches longer than the normal attack hitboxes. This means that if she's edgehogged from a greater distance, she can't even retaliate, whereas some other tethers like [[Pikmin Chain]] and [[Vine Whip]] can sometimes at least get a hit in.  On the other hand, her decent air speed, decent double jump, and Flip Jump usually get ZSS close enough to recover.  If you want to remove that part about edge-hogging, it's fine by me now.  However, as mentioned above, I still think ZSS is weak. [[User:Enigmatic Mr. L|Enigmatic Mr. L]] ([[User talk:Enigmatic Mr. L|talk]]) 16:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
-..I didn't know that if a character lacks a move that can kill at 50% or so they're labeled as "weak." I still don't agree with that, but I'll change the part about edgehogging. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:69.121.10.106|69.121.10.106]] ([[User talk:69.121.10.106|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.121.10.106|contribs]]) 22:06, 29 June 2009</small>
+..I didn't know that if a character lacks a move that can kill at 50% or so they're labeled as "weak." I still don't agree with that, but I'll change the part about edgehogging. {{unsigned|69.121.10.106|22:06, 29 June 2009}}
 :<s>'''No, you will not.''' The purpose of an ''Edit War'' section on a talk page is for consensus to be reached between the warring editors. If you edit "Zero Suit Samus" in such a way again without consensus being reached on this page, you will be blocked from editing. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 21:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)</s>
 :I was under the impression that consensus hadn't been reached (especially as I think her recovery is edgehoggable/punishable) but apparently it had. Her air speed, her second jump, and her Flip Jump are all okay for getting her back to the the stage, but her Flip Jump is punishable (as she doesn't get it back if she's hit after using it and she can't land on fall-through platforms until she's at the same height that she started from) and her tether is unreliable (easily edgehogged). I know she's B Tier, so she must have a good recovery, but I still think that line should stay. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 22:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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 Can anyone tell me what exactly the lights on the Zero Suit's purpose was in the Metroid universe? It's kinda bugging me. [[User:Lumanaru|Lumanaru]] ([[User talk:Lumanaru|talk]]) 02:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
-== Trivia Revert ==
-OK, true that it's my fault for not wording that edit right, but that trivia edit wasn't speculation. ZSS' recolors ARE indeed a reference to Samus' bikinis from the old titles. [[User:SmashBall104|SmashBall104]] [[User Talk:SmashBall104|Proud to be Jamaican!]] 17:46, 31 July 2013 (EDT)
-:"''It is thought..." = Speculation, and bad speculation at that; '''surely they're just not using the same colors Samus uses?!'''''"
-:You're still speculating dude, and just being the same color is not a "reference": One, the colors are typical colors each character uses and are nothing unusual, any color match with the bikinis is an obvious coincidence. Two, of course Zamus' palette colors are going to match Samus', they weren't chosen to "reference" the bikinis. Three, it's just a damn color, any true reference would involve more than just a similar color. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:58, 31 July 2013 (EDT)
-== The hitstun thing ==
-I've heard of it before a lot, and I heard a livestream commentator talk about it once, saying "I have heard from multiple sources". However I have no idea if it's true or not. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 14:32, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
-:There is no technical substantiation that I know of for any character to take more hitstun than any other, aside from animation lengths at no-tumble knockbacks. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Incomprehensible 19:26, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
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