Editing Talk:Young Link (SSBU)

== Can someone confirm these names on the moveset table? ==
Half of these look to be fanmade, while half of them seem to be taken straight out of SoulCalibur II's move list for Link. I would like to confirm if these names are indeed visible in this game in the event someone's pulling out fanmade names for the movesets of all the characters. [[User:Enigma|Enigma]] ([[User talk:Enigma|talk]]) 19:02, 1 February 2019 (EST)
:Going by [https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2y3hyx/as_requested_on_the_brawl_strategy_guide_post/ this post] about the ''Melee'' official strategy guide, most of the names seem to come from there. A lot of normal attack names in the Tips section seem to match the names found in this guide, but Young Link's section in-game doesn't name any of his normals. Would probably safest to go by the current convention of only naming ones named in Tips. — [[File:Small portrait lyon fe08.png|20px|link=User:Xamad]] [[User:Xamad|Xamad]] ([[User_talk:Xamad|talk]]) 20:07, 1 February 2019 (EST)

==The ''Differences from Link (SSB4) section ==
The section that talks about Young link's differences from SSB4 Link has pretty much nothing. I put the differences in FAF and autocancel window, but nothing else for now. Please add more of those differences.
:Is that section really necessary? I understand it for echo fighters but we're comparing an Ultimate character to a Smash 4 character. I think at this point it's reaching and really unnecessary. [[User:Zeckemyro|Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck]] ([[User talk:Zeckemyro|talk]]) 16:26, March 7, 2020 (EST)
: I agree with Zeckemyro here. It feels kind of silly to have these kinds of differences between a Smash 4 and Ultimate character. Not only are they different games but the characters are too different to compare at this point. I'd say either change it to Ultimate Link (and well, notice how different they are), or remove the section outright. Same thing can be done to Dr. Mario in the latter case, remove the differences and add an attribute. [[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]] 16:57, March 7, 2020 (EST)
: I third this. The section is absolutely unnecessary and I think that we only need the "Changes from Melee" section. Young Link's moveset (at least aesthetically speaking) is practically the same as it was in Melee, so I see no reason as to why we need to compare him to normal Link, especially Link from Smash 4. [[User:SuperSqank]] ([[User talk:SuperSqank|talk]]) 17:04, March 7, 2020 (EST)
:I asked the Young Link Discord about this and they seem to agree that the comparison is completely unneeded. Not a lot of people answered, but the Discord is rather inactive. I do think their opposition is worth noting. [[User:Zeckemyro|Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck]] ([[User talk:Zeckemyro|talk]]) 20:20, March 7, 2020 (EST)
:I have always been against comparing different characters from different games. When you are doing an in depth comparison like this, it really has to be more related than that to get anywhere, not just "has some of the same moves kinda". Doing this also suggests that X character is a replacement for Y character, which is not a fair assessment for us to make. It's the same reason we don't claim Lucario to be a replacement for Mewtwo in Brawl. While on the topic, the same list on {{SSBB|Toon Link}} should also be removed imo. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 23:23, March 8, 2020 (EDT)
::The Toon Link one is fine in my opinion, since Toon Link was clearly meant to be the replacement for Young Link in Brawl. This one, on the other hand, would benefit much more if the comparison was with Ultimate Link, not SSB4 Link.  [[Special:Contributions/72.203.118.154|72.203.118.154]] 01:48, March 9, 2020 (EDT)
:::Comparing Toon Link and Young Link in Ultimate is very much not needed. Maybe it's alright for Toon Link (SSBB), but it's not fit for Ultimate as both characters are very much different. [[User:Zeckemyro|Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck]] ([[User talk:Zeckemyro|talk]]) 03:22, March 9, 2020 (EDT)
:It always looked weird to compare an Ultimate clone to their SSB4 parent fighter. If the page is about a character in Ultimate, then SSB4 is completely irrelevant. If we're going to have a "Differences from Link" section then it should be about Ultimate's Link, not SSB4 Link. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="font-family:Algerian">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<font color="blue">OmegαToαd</font> <font color="aqua">the Toαd Wαrrior</font>]] [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">(BUP)</font></span>''']] 23:32, March 8, 2020 (EDT)

The detailed comparison has been removed, but I decided to keep the overview paragraph and reflavoured it to be "versus previous games' Link in general" (rather than SSB4 Link specifically), as it still has useful information about YL keeping traits that BotW Link no longer has. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bomb 18:22, May 25, 2020 (EDT)
:The paragraph should be there, but it should just be part of the attributes section, rather than as its own. For some reason, I can't remove the section header. [[Special:Contributions/72.203.118.154|72.203.118.154]] 23:48, May 25, 2020 (EDT)

== Should the "Differences from Link" section be reinstated? ==

Recently, the [[clone]] page changed Young Link's classification from semi clone to full clone. I have my gripes about that, but that debate is for that page's discussion. The thing is, every full clone's page, including Ultimate Pichu and Doc, have a section detailing their differences from the original, with the exception of this page. I know that a "Differences from Link" section was axed from this page because it was a comparison to the SSB4 Link, but should it be reinstated to compare Young Link to Ultimate Link if the clone page keeps Young Link as a full clone? The removal of that section is what made me think Young Link was a semi-clone, but was the issue comparing to the wrong game's Link or that Young Link is too different? The way I see it, either the clone page changes Young Link back to a semi clone and the differences section stays off this page, or Young Link is still a full clone and this page gets the differences section back, but no status quo. [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 21:18, March 6, 2021 (EST)

::Would it really be necessary if most the traits Young Link has are shared with Toon Link? Honestly, it would make more sense having Toon Link's page have a "Differences from Young Link" page like in Brawl as the two share more with each other than Link. [[User:Diddy Kongstar|Diddy Kongstar]] ([[User talk:Diddy Kongstar|talk]]) 11:53, April 16, 2021 (EDT)

== About the "Differences from Link" section ==

Is it really necessary to have this section if Young Link's only considered a full clone when you factor both Link and Toon Link? It seems kind if pointless for something obvious to the players. The only semi-clones that have "Differences from" section are Ken due to being an Echo Fighter and Mythra since she’s also a transformation of Pyra. It would make more sense to compare all three in this section if at all. [[User:Diddy Kongstar|Diddy Kongstar]] ([[User talk:Diddy Kongstar|talk]]) 17:44, April 19, 2021 (EDT)
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