Editing Talk:Spot dodge

"This is the only dodge that does not move the character"

I think with the way air dodging works in Brawl this statement is rendered incorrect, so I've corrected it to say in the original and melee '''[[User:Ike's Best Buddy|<span style="color:Red">Ike's Best Buddy</span>/<span style="color:Blue"> Bird Of Prey</span>]][[User Talk:Ike's Best Buddy|<small><sup><span style="color:silver">Don't try me</span></sup></small>]]'''
:The original doesn't have sidestepping. - [[User:Hatake91|Hatake91]] ([[User talk:Hatake91|talk]]) 21:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::I don't understand. "In Melee, it's also the only one out of the three that does not move the character. " -more info on this is needed. [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]])
:::It's referring to the fact that it's the only dodge that does not move the character. <font face="calibri">'''[[User:Fried beef1|<font color="red">Fried</font><font color="gold">beef</font><font color="crimson">1</font>]] [[User talk:Fried beef1|<span style="color:gold"><span style="font-size: 60%">1/26/09!</span></span>]]'''</font> 22:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I understand; thanks. [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 15:28, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

==Duration?==
Does anyone know how many frames the invincibility lasts for? That information could be useful... [[Special:Contributions/64.221.210.35|64.221.210.35]] 19:16, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
::-It's different for each character. This would indeed be useful info. -[[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 13:26, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

In Brawl, some characters sidestep will not let you slide forward, like Ganondorf, of Pit. But it will work on characters like Mario or Luigi. Smashdude10 10:17, 26 January 2014 (EST)

==Rename?==
I think it would be best to just rename this page to "Spotdodge". No one uses the official name much like no one uses "ukemi" for teching or "strong" for tilts. And we do have that policy that "We are not official", yet we still insist on using mostly official names. [[User:Quillion|Quillion]] ([[User talk:Quillion|talk]]) 14:12, 13 January 2015 (EST)

==Rename==
You don't do a sidestepping. You do a sidestep. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 17:57, 11 September 2015 (EDT)
:'''Support'''. Same. [[File:Badass Nidoking.png|20px]] [[User:DracoRexKing|<font color="blue">'''Draco'''</font><font color="red">'''Rex'''</font>]][[User talk:DracoRexKing|<font color="purple">'''King'''</font>]] 20:18, 11 September 2015 (EDT)
:'''Support'''. Just like the Dash vs. Dashing scenario. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 14:46, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:'''Strong support'''. You ''don't'' do a sidestepping, You do a sidestep. Also, Remember the Dash vs. Dashing scenario? (Same opinion as Smashedpotatoes and John3637881) [[User:INoMed|INoMed]], <span style="color:orange">King of</span> <span style="color:red">Demons</span> ([[User talk:INoMed|Talk]]) 14:50, 13 September 2015 (EDT)

== One Extra Frame? ==

On KH in ''Smash 4'', most of the characters have one extra frame of animation for their sidestep compared to this list. The only ones that don't are Corrin and Bayonetta, which are the same, and that's what is making me suspicious. Should I go ahead and make the changes? [[User:Smashgold347238|<span style="color:#D4AF37">Gold</span>]] [[file:Goldsig.png|20px|link=User talk:Smashgold347238]] 15:00, 11 April 2016 (EDT)
:The difference is that KH lists the ''first actionable frame'' (FAF) of the sidesteps, whereas this article lists the frames they take ''before an action is possible''. This is also the case for rolls and air dodges. You can change it to the former if you want, though, as seeing how KH and specific attack articles in this wiki (like [[Sheik (SSB4)/Forward aerial|this one]]) use FAF/[[interruptibility]], it might be more comfortable that way. [[File:034.png|20px]] '''<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:DracoRexKing|<font color="purple">DracoRex</font> <font color="blue">the</font> <font color="red">Dino King</font>]] [[User talk:DracoRexKing|<font color="olive">(RAWR!)]]</font></span>''' 15:39, 11 April 2016 (EDT)
::The chart was outdated anyway, so I adjusted the values and used total instead of FAF. [[User:Smashgold347238|<span style="color:#D4AF37">Gold</span>]] [[file:Goldsig.png|20px|link=User talk:Smashgold347238]] 16:32, 11 April 2016 (EDT)

== The latest suggestion ==

'''Strong support'''. Spotdodge and its variants are used far more in my experience than sidestep is. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 00:01, 11 November 2018 (EST)
:'''Oppose''' I think it is perfect the way it is. [[File:George Jones.jpg|25px]] [[User:Corrin Fan|Corrin Fan]] [[File:Walls Can Fall.jpg|25px]] 09:31, 20 November 2018 (EST)
::'''Strong support'''. Spotdodge is so much more common than "sidestep". Corrin Fan, can you say why you think it is perfect the way it is? That is not a very good reason by itself without an explanation. [[User:PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) 14:04, 20 November 2018 (EST)
'''Strong oppose''' I hardly ever hear ''anyone'' say spotdodge. There are three things going for sidestep though: 1. It’s official. I know SmashWiki isn’t official, but sidestep is just as widely used, so it’s not a tech/ukemi situation. 2. The action the characters perform is, in and of itself, sidestepping out of the way of an attack. Spotdodge just doesn’t make sense. 3. Spotdodge is just plain awkward to say. Sidestep is an actual word that feels natural to say. I rest my case. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 15:53, 20 November 2018 (EST)Blueflame105
:Spotdodge makes sense because you are dodging at your current spot, without moving left or right. [[User:PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) 16:35, 20 November 2018 (EST)

Why do we want it to be moved to spotdodge it's fine here [[User:Sammybambam11|Sammybambam11]] ([[User talk:Sammybambam11|talk]]) 12:59, 21 November 2018 (EST)

'''Strong support''' Prior to seeing this article, I've never heard or seen anyone in the community ever call it a "sidestep". Spotdodge is and will most likely always be the most common term. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 13:28, 21 November 2018 (EST)

Replying to Sammybambam11: I want this page moved because spotdodge is significantly more common than sidestep. Quoting [[Project:What SmashWiki is not]]:
<blockquote>We are not required to abide by official terms or stances. Unofficial vocabulary will always be a large part of the Smash Bros. series; using an uncommon official term over a well-known unofficial term is generally frowned upon, and claiming a specific term is the right term because it's official is usually an invalid argument in a debate.</blockquote>
As spotdodge is the well known term and sidestep is very uncommon, it only makes sense to move this page. [[User:PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) 15:10, 27 November 2018 (EST)

== '''Total Frames''' value for ''Melee'' table incorrect? ==

Out of curiosity, I started up ''Crazy Hand v1.31'' to look at the script for ''EscapeN'' for Peach, and I was surprised to learn that the Async Timer for the IASA command is set for frame 25, while the total frames value in the table shows 27. I looked at other characters, and a pattern emerged: 14 intangible frame fighters have a frame 20 interrupt, 17 intangible frame fighters have a frame 25 interrupt, 18 intangible frame fighters (Falcon & Zelda) have an IASA of 29, and so on. I checked [https://meleeframedata.com MeleeFrameData], and it shows the same values as the ''Melee'' table on the page. Is this just a case of Crazy Hand reading the move scripts incorrectly? Is the total frames value just the animation length? Am I gonna have to go through and add the IASA frames for every single spot dodge in ''Melee''? [[User:Mariogeek2|Mariogeek2]] ([[User talk:Mariogeek2|talk]]) 14:05, June 24, 2025 (EDT)
:I tested in game (1.02 with Peach, Bowser, Captain Falcon) and looked in HSDRaw and apparently the Allow Interrupt function just doesn't do anything for EscapeN. Meaning they have to go through the entire animation, which is the value shown in the tables. <s>It isn't CrazyHand or HSDRaw reading the script wrong, the game is just jank.</s> --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 07:30, June 30, 2025 (EDT)
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