Editing Talk:Peach Bomber

Please, do not revert my recent edit to the page. This wiki is not censored, as we have articles like [[sex kick|these]]. Please leave it this way. It's not her hip. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 03:41, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
:What's a sec kick?
:And it ''is'' her hip. No one's butt is that huge. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">BNK</span>]]</font><sup> <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Special:EditCount/Blue Ninjakoopa|E]]|[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Blue Ninjakoopa|C]]]</sup> 12:29, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
::I edited the IP's post to "sex" kick just so everyone knows. And it's not a matter of "butt" being a "bad word" it's that she's lunging her hip. '''[[User:Kperfekt722|<span style="color:purple;">Kperfekt</span>]]''' [[User talk:Kperfekt722|<span style="color:red;"><sup>BURN!!!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kperfekt722|<span style="color:yellow;"><sup>Revert That!</sup></span>]] 03:47, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
:It's not her hip, it's her buttocks. This has been easily proved, both by cheat codes which removes her dress, but it can also be proved in-game by using the camera.[[User:Sybb|Sybb]] ([[User talk:Sybb|talk]]) 12:03, 31 May 2014 (EDT)
::This discussion took place over four years ago. I'm sure this dispute has long since ended.

::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  12:10, 31 May 2014 (EDT)
:::Obviously not, since it was still "hip" before I changed it. And now someone felt it was necessary to change "buttocks" to "rear".[[User:Sybb|Sybb]] ([[User talk:Sybb|talk]]) 12:27, 31 May 2014 (EDT)
::::There was a '''very''' clear warning on the page to not change the wording on the article, and "rear" is a euphemism for "buttocks" anyway. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:30, 31 May 2014 (EDT)
:::::I though wikis were handled by everyone, and not by a select elite? Who has the right to decide wording for everyone else? Or is this site privately owned by you?[[User:Sybb|Sybb]] ([[User talk:Sybb|talk]]) 12:34, 31 May 2014 (EDT)
::::::Yes, wikis are free for anyone to contribute, but admins still manage the site and the warning was added by an admin (Toomai). This was obviously edited into the article several times and it was never met well, as you can clearly tell. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:40, 31 May 2014 (EDT)

== Which game did this move come from? ==

I've never seen it in any Mario game, for that matter.

[[User:Bowser vs Bowser Jr.|Bowser vs Bowser Jr.]] ([[User talk:Bowser vs Bowser Jr.|talk]]) 19:07, 1 March 2011 (EST)
:It appears to be an original creation for the Smash series, as with many moves. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:18, 1 March 2011 (EST)

== What is she saying? ==

When is performing this move, what is she saying? [[User:Smashdude10|Smashdude10]] ([[User talk:Smashdude10|talk]]) 12:52, 15 March 2014 (EDT)
:She just says hi-chya. This is a reference to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiai Kiai]. I don't even want to know why you had to ask this. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 13:25, 15 March 2014 (EDT)

Thanks. The reason why I asked because I was curious. [[User:Smashdude10|Smashdude10]] ([[User talk:Smashdude10|talk]]) 14:51, 15 March 2014 (EDT)

== Peach Bomber isn't useful or powerful at all... ==

Y'know, after playing several games of Smash Bros., I feel like this move isn't "powerful" as Nintendo says it is. It's highly punishable, leaving you open to attacks for one thing. Another thing is that it only does 15% damage (10% in SSB4), and doesn't even gain KO potential until 150%-200%. That's not powerful, nor is it strong! It just feels like a normal move. Honestly, I have NO idea what they define as a "powerful move". I mean, there's lots of strong moves. Warlock Punch is powerful, so is Falcon Punch, Blade Flurry, and even Farore's Wind is powerful. But Peach Bomber is NOT powerful. Y'know, for a special move, this doesn't feel all that "special" in my opinion...

I honestly can't find a single upside or good use for this at all. It's pretty useless, and I don't see it used often in competitive play, either. I like Melee/Brawl's version of this attack better. It doesn't help that it's faster in SSB4, it's still weak. Plus, you could use this attack several times in all versions of the game, and you'd see that Melee/Brawl's version racks up damage faster than SSB4's. If they really want to make this "powerful", they need to HEAVILY buff this attack. How? I dunno, there's lots of ways; They could make it deal more damage and knockback, increase it's reach, or even give Peach Super Armor, I couldn't care less. Making the attack faster but deal less damage makes me feel like it was nerfed overall, limiting it's usefulness. Sorry, but that's how I feel. Peach is still a good character, though.

P.S: Also, why would Nintendo lie and say Peach attacks with her "hip", when it's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that it's not? It just doesn't make any sense. [[User:Falconpunch|Falconpunch]] ([[User talk:Falconpunch|talk]]) 18:25, 27 May 2015 (EDT)
:Correct, it is not used in competitive play for attacking, but rather for recovering (Melee only). Peach Bomber bounces Peach up and back if it hits a wall. This can be used to gain some vertical distance when below the stage (e.g. final destination). Do we say it's powerful, by the way? [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 22:17, 27 May 2015 (EDT)
::Of course not, since it doesn't even earn that title. Also, I believe since that change from Melee was removed (I never played Melee), it's usefulness is just gone. However, ever since Brawl, Peach can use that move to grab on the edge. I really wish they would buff this move to be more useful, because it being called powerful is questionable. Also, I believe Nintendo intended to have this attack be used in competitive play for attacking. [[User:Falconpunch|Falconpunch]] ([[User talk:Falconpunch|talk]]) 23:07, 27 May 2015 (EDT)
:::What are you suggesting that we do here? [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 12:07, 28 May 2015 (EDT)
::::I'm not really suggesting anything. I'm just saying that this attack just feels really useless and I dunno why Nintendo would do this if nobody's even going to use it. We can't really do anything about to change this fact...Can we? [[User:Falconpunch|Falconpunch]] ([[User talk:Falconpunch|talk]]) 12:17, 28 May 2015 (EDT)
<small>reset indent</small> Well, no. I was referring to our wiki page. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 14:19, 28 May 2015 (EDT)
:I see. I'm pretty sure they can buff this attack in a later update if possible. I mean, Nintendo has done this before to make things more balanced, such as nerfing Diddy Kong overall and Villager's Pocket. And if they can significantly nerf those two, they can significantly buff Peach Bomber. [[User:Falconpunch|Falconpunch]] ([[User talk:Falconpunch|talk]]) 14:22, 28 May 2015 (EDT)
::When someone resets an indent, the colons (:) start over. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 14:28, 28 May 2015 (EDT)

==Move==
[Hookshot and Clawshot] is named after both moves. It’s pretty inconsistent with this page and [[Peach Parasol]], and while I’d rather move Hookshot and Clawshot to just [[Hookshot]], I’m wondering if renaming other pages like that would also be valid, because I’m not sure which one is preferable. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 22:00, July 11, 2019 (EDT)
:Absolutely not. You're jumping to conclusions way too quickly. Nothing is settled for anything, as there are discussions actively going on. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 22:01, July 11, 2019 (EDT)
::My bad. I thought the move for that page failed because of the Poltergust move and the whole generic name debacle. Sorry about that. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 22:02, July 11, 2019 (EDT)

== Should Daisy Bomber be exclusively covered in the Ultimate section? ==

Daisy, who is Peach's Echo Fighter, shares the exact same side special, with only the name and visual aesthetics being different. Echo Fighters' special moves that have the same name and/or identical functionality, like Lucina's [[Dolphin Slash]], can be covered entirely in the section(s) pertaining to the games the the Echo Fighters appear in. I suggest that we revert back to [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Peach_Bomber&oldid=1302473 this revision] for this page. [[User:Zakawer2|Zakawer2]] ([[User talk:Zakawer2|talk]]) 08:25, October 11, 2019 (EDT)

Except your revision erased important information and completely excluded as the move also belonging to Daisy at the start of the page. So in my opinion, no, we should not revert to that revision. --[[Special:Contributions/78.137.203.164|78.137.203.164]] 09:34, October 11, 2019 (EDT)

I would split the moves because they have different names and aesthetic differences. A different name alone should warrant a split because it allows people to get to the information quicker. --[[User:Pontiusbrave|Pontiusbrave]] ([[User talk:Pontiusbrave|talk]]) 07:19, November 12, 2019 (EST)
:It's the same move, no reason to split it. <span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:green;">Supα</span>]][[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:red;">Toαd</span><span style="color:blue;">64</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 07:23, November 12, 2019 (EST)
Daisy Blossom is the same move as Peach's Peach Blossom, yet it is split because of the name difference. Whilst names aren't entirely a good reason to split a page, I feel like it is justified in this sense. Splitting will also make the page look cleaner. --[[User:Pontiusbrave|Pontiusbrave]] ([[User talk:Pontiusbrave|talk]]) 07:28, November 12, 2019 (EST)
:Daisy Blossom is a final smash and is more signifficant, since we don't have two different final smashes on the same page reguardless of how similar they are. This move has the exact same functions besides aesthetics. Fireball is kept on the same page for Mario and Luigi Daisy's portion doesn't take up too much space on the page, and it can be cleaned up to look nicer. We don't have different pages for moves that function identically so I don't see why this would need to be split. <span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:green;">Supα</span>]][[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:red;">Toαd</span><span style="color:blue;">64</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 07:44, November 12, 2019 (EST)
'''Oppose''': Covering Daisy Bomber in Ultimate's section alone makes no sense. All it does is make it difficult to find it for anyone looking for Daisy Bomber, having it at the beginning allows users to see that it covers the move for both Peach and Daisy, whereas for your version people have to scroll to the bottom of the page to find it, and for some thwy might not even reasize the page covers both of the moves. Just because the move was introduced in Ultimate is not a good reason for it to be covered ''only'' in Ultimate's section. <span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:green;">Supα</span>]][[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:red;">Toαd</span><span style="color:blue;">64</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 08:01, November 12, 2019 (EST)

Yeah the "Counter" article has all the fire emblem characters even though Marth and Roy were first and Chrom is new. [[User:Lucina-is-better-than-marth|Lucina-is-better-than-marth]] ([[User talk:Lucina-is-better-than-marth|talk]]) 12:34, November 27, 2019 (EST)

If we want to make it easier for people to browse, just seperate the two pages, for example on the Pokemon Wiki [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Protean_(Ability) Protean] and [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Libero_(Ability) Libero] are seperate despite functioning the same. Since we also have GIFS on the page seperating them would save bandwidth. --[[User:Pontiusbrave|Pontiusbrave]] ([[User talk:Pontiusbrave|talk]]) 09:57, January 1, 2020 (EST)
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	If we want to make it easier for people to browse, just seperate the two pages, for example on the Pokemon Wiki [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Protean_(Ability) Protean] and [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Libero_(Ability) Libero] are seperate despite functioning the same. Since we also have GIFS on the page seperating them would save bandwidth. --[[User:Pontiusbrave\|Pontiusbrave]] ([[User talk:Pontiusbrave\|talk]]) 09:57, January 1, 2020 (EST)		If we want to make it easier for people to browse, just seperate the two pages, for example on the Pokemon Wiki [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Protean_(Ability) Protean] and [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Libero_(Ability) Libero] are seperate despite functioning the same. Since we also have GIFS on the page seperating them would save bandwidth. --[[User:Pontiusbrave\|Pontiusbrave]] ([[User talk:Pontiusbrave\|talk]]) 09:57, January 1, 2020 (EST)
	:Just because one wiki seperates identically functioning mechanics doesn't mean we should. There are still no valid reasons to seperate the move. Plus this discussion was '''not''' about seperating the pages as a whole in the first place so stop bringing it up. <span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:supatoad64\|<span style="color:green;">Supα</span>]][[User talk:supatoad64\|<span style="color:red;">Toαd</span><span style="color:blue;">64</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg\|20px]] 03:42, January 2, 2020 (EST)
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