Editing Talk:Palutena's Guidance

==Palutena's Guidance?==
Should we rename it to this, since I'm pretty sure Palutena and Dark Pit can also activate it? Or at least Kid Icarus Smash Taunt? <small>''---Previously unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 22:09, 23 October 2014 (EDT)
:I don't believe it was ever stated that the others could activate it, only Pit. {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 22:10, 23 October 2014 (EDT)
::I think I saw a clip with just Palutena onscreen during one of the conversations. Either way, since it has an official name, which will probably be used more than "Pit's Smash Taunt", I think it's more logical to use the name. <small>''---Previously unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 13:35, 24 October 2014 (EDT)
:::Only Pit, as far as we know. Went back and the announcer says, "All you have to do is select Pit and execute his downward taunt." The one you're referring to has Pit and Palutena on the same stage. She says something along the lines of "Think of it as a coliseum show and less of ... a massacre." or something (She's still talking to Pit, so it could just be their conversation). Also, all of the clips show Pit in the stage, and the actual dialogue is directed at Pit, giving him tips and pointers. As for the name, it can be redirected. [[User:Roarmoocowz|Roarmoocowz]] ([[User talk:Roarmoocowz|talk]]) 13:49, 24 October 2014 (EDT)
::::But why would we use an unofficial name when there's an official name that is much simpler and will probably be used more often? <small>''---Previously unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 13:54, 24 October 2014 (EDT)

== New Smash Taunt Scripts ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNzJ2t_YTh4 For Captain Falcon, Mega Man and Ludwig von Koopa. --[[User:Wolfy76700|Wolfy76700]] ([[User talk:Wolfy76700|talk]]) 15:00, 7 November 2014 (EST)
==Rename==
Why don't we move this page to '''Palutena's Guidence'''? It's the official name, and it's the most often used, to my knowledge. <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 15:18, 7 November 2014 (EST)
:...i already made a section for this but oh well
:I '''support''' the move. Also, we should move [[Snake's Smash Taunt]] to Codec Conversations <small>''---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 15:19, 7 November 2014 (EST)
::I realize that that section exists, but I started a new one anyways. I wouldn't mind moving Snake's Smash Taunt to Coded Conversations, either. <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 15:29, 7 November 2014 (EST)

<s>'''Oppose'''.</s> If we rename it/them, it/they will become inconsistent with the Star Fox Smash Taunt. {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 16:26, 7 November 2014 (EST)
:Is consistency ''really'' a problem here? If we rename two out of three, then each one would be unique, and thus not needing to worry about consistency, as all three would be uniquely named. <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 16:28, 7 November 2014 (EST)
::Or, y'know, we could change the Star Fox Smash Taunt to another unofficial name that could match. Like Star Fox Team Conversations or something... although Rtzxy's idea is probably better :P <small>''---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 16:31, 7 November 2014 (EST)

Actually, Star Fox Smash Taunt is (almost) official, so it could work. I believe the DOJO!! called it "Star Fox (Team) Smash Taunt". '''Weak support'''. {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 17:01, 7 November 2014 (EST)

'''Support''' Seems to work better than the current name we have. Being an official name helps somewhat. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 23:50, 7 November 2014 (EST)

'''Support''' - Isn't that the official name? <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 13:10, 8 November 2014 (EST)
:Anyone else? Also, what are your thoughts on moving [[Snake's Smash Taunt]] to "Codec"; if this page gets moved, then we should move ''that'' page for consistency reasons (and for the fact that it's the most used name). <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 00:15, 9 November 2014 (EST)

== Here's all conversations ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrlHPDx-LRQ Let's get editing.

--[[User:ComJacker|ComJacker]] ([[User talk:ComJacker|talk]]) 17:25, 8 November 2014 (EST)
==Reword maybe?==
"'''Viridi: "Motion control... That's downright REVOLUTIONARY! We should patent that."'''

'''''Note: Viridi could be mentioning either when Philips sued Nintendo for it's motion control Wii Remotes, or the Wii's codename was 'Revolution'.'''''"

I feel the italiced phrase could be reworded a little; I don't see a connection between ''either'' situations, except maybe the last one, but only to an extent, and something along the lines of "''Viridi mentions the Wii Remote, which was revolutionary at the time of its release''" might work better. Hell, I'm not even sure if it even should be on the page whatsoever. Thoughts? <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 19:11, 8 November 2014 (EST)

== Julie Parker Not Credited In The Wii U version? ==

I saw Julie Parker's name in 3DS credits, but I actually saw the Wii U credits, and that name isn't included in the Voice Cast list.

== What is the difference between Palutena's Guidance and the Codec Conversations/Star Fox Smash Taunts? ==

The answer is very little, if nothing at all. If you check the Codec Conversations page, you'll see that the way the scripts are written in a professional looking way. Some of the text, whilst clearly going into seperate text boxes, is merged together until another character starts speaking. What I don't understand is why everyone is so desperate to have the Palutena's Guidance script, which as I said earlier is pretty much the ''exact same thing'' by seperate text boxes? Not only does it look messy and unprofessional, but it is incosistent with how the Codec Conversations, and indeed the SF Taunts, are set-up. If those two don't merge text boxes, neither should this one. [[Special:Contributions/85.210.188.121|85.210.188.121]] 09:07, 26 November 2014 (EST)
:To be honest, I see no reason to separate text boxes between a single character. It's a consistency issue, and while there are a lot of consistency issues between the three Smash Taunt pages, they can easily be fixed. So, I actually like the IP's version better—but you still gotta follow [[SW:1RV]], no matter what I say. <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:#9f4f3f;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:#66CDAA;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 09:39, 26 November 2014 (EST)

If we convert to a table format, we'll be able to have one row per character while also being able to split lines in the same way the game does. But it'd be more complex overall. Good or bad idea? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Trumpeteer 09:43, 26 November 2014 (EST)
:I'm not sure. Can you give us an example of what it might look like? <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:#9f4f3f;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:#66CDAA;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 09:50, 26 November 2014 (EST)
::I was wondering that myself. I was meerly thinking just doing like like the Codecs. [[Special:Contributions/85.210.188.121|85.210.188.121]] 10:04, 26 November 2014 (EST)

Okay, example.
{|class="wikitable"
!Viridi
|Oh, wow! It's Charizard! Just look at those majestic wings!
|-
!Pit
|Those wings might be majestic to look at, but they don't help much in the flying or gliding department.
|-
!Palutena
|A little short in the flight department? That sounds like a familiar predicament.
|-
!Pit
|I have no idea what you're talking about.
|-
!Viridi
|Oh, Pit, denial doesn't look good on you.<br/>At least Charizard can use its wings for attacking.
|-
!Pit
|And I can use my wings to fly! ...When Lady Palutena grants me the power of flight, that is.
|-
!Palutena
|You know, I've always wondered if the power of flight would work anywhere besides your wings. Like your hair, for instance.
|-
!Pit
|That's not funny!<br/>I'd go bald!
|-
!Palutena
|But I digress. Charizard has another attack, called [[Flare Blitz]]. It's powerful but dangerous, even to Charizard.<br/>Either way, dodge the attack and keep your distance while waiting for your chance to strike back.
|}
[[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 22:57, 29 November 2014 (EST)
:That could work. <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:red;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:green;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 23:32, 29 November 2014 (EST)

== Duck Hunt Duo ==

He has his own Guidance, I don't remember exactly what it is but Palutena says something like "Although we call them the Duck Hunt Duo, in a way their also a trio"

== Unused Guidance ==

A user on GameFAQs [http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/70807781 found an unused conversation] while browsing the sound data. That user has provided a source in their post. The post would later be noted in [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=crvqM890_7U this GameXplain video]. How should we add this? [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 10:16, 15 December 2014 (EST)
:I believe it already ''is'' added... [[File:AidanzapunkSig.jpg]][[User:BlueStreak|<span style="color: blue;">'''BlueStreak'''</span>]] [[User talk:BlueStreak|<span style="color: blue;">'''Speeds By'''</span>]] 10:20, 15 December 2014 (EST)
::Just noticed now. Whoops! *facepalms and shakes head* [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:07, 15 December 2014 (EST)

I ''really'' think it's just a placeholder. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:176.214.160.133|176.214.160.133]] ([[User talk:176.214.160.133|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/176.214.160.133|contribs]]) 03:41, 12 April 2015</small>
:We'll find out on Wednesday. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 04:10, 12 April 2015 (EDT)

== Bayonetta's Trailer featuring Palutena's Guidance ==

During the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tv3w1V5_Mg reveal trailer] for {{SSB4|Bayonetta}} it is shown Palutena giving Pit a Guidance conversation, similar to the ones done in the stage. Would it be worth listing and quoting the conversation here on this page like the others?<br>[[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] ([[User talk:Ixbran|talk]]) 00:14, 1 January 2016 (EST)
:Probably not. [[File:AidanzapunkChristmasSig.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Jolly Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkChristmasSig2.png|20px]] 00:16, 1 January 2016 (EST)
::You think it would be worth noting in the form of a Trivia section?<br>[[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] ([[User talk:Ixbran|talk]]) 00:24, 1 January 2016 (EST)
:::Sure; we do something similar for Snake's reveal trailer on his Smash Taunt page. It may be worth waiting, however, until Bayonetta comes out so we can accurately describe the situation. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 12:14, 1 January 2016 (EST)

== Just a thought... ==

Do you think we could set up a template kind of like Inkipedia's [http://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Template:StageQuotes template for Callie & Marie's conversations] for this? <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  16:54, 8 January 2016 (EST)

== "No point in having two characters that are pretty much carbon copies" Olimar & Alph, plus Bowser Jr. ==

Would this contradiction be good trivia?[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:13, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:Considering that [[clone]]s are a thing, and that a 100% clone of Marth got in over Chrom who would've been slightly similar to Ike? No, not really. Too obvious. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  21:14, 23 January 2016 (EST)
Yeah, that's what I thought. Okay, thanks. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Unowninator|contribs]]) 02:15, January 23, 2016 (EST)</small>

== Japanese Guidances ==

They're [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVmsrc_P4DY right here], and some of them are different from the English version (Dedede, Pac-Man, and such). Would it be worth pointing out the differences? [[User:Laniv|Laniv]] ([[User talk:Laniv|talk]]) 11:17, 4 February 2016 (EST)
:I mean, we probably should, but idk how we would without cluttering the page. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  11:18, 4 February 2016 (EST)
::The [[Codec Conversations]] page does something similar. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 11:33, 4 February 2016 (EST)

That would be great! It would be nice to have a translated version of both the Guidance and Codec. A lot of the info may differ (even if it's just wording), regardless if it is necessarily interesting to "most". Because of the length of even the English ones, it would probably be better to have a separate page. I'm not sure if the translated versions would be able to "fit", unless most did not mind if the Japanese versions were followed by the English on the same page (the page is long regardless). I know some may argue that if we were to include Japanese, we'd probably need to do other languages, but this wiki mainly just does its main language (English) and the game's original language (Japanese). [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 18:21, March 29, 2019 (EDT)

== Where did the new Guidances come from? (Incineroar, Snake, Young Link) ==

On youtube I found Simon, Isabelle, K. Rool and Ridley, but not Incineroar, Snake & Young Link. Where are theirs confirmed? Are they from the datamine? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:00, 25 November 2018 (EST)
:The editor claims to [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Palutena%27s_Guidance&diff=1130901&oldid=1130636 have access to datamined text files], so most likely. — [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=]] [[User:Nokii|'''{{color|#8090d8|Nokii}}''']] (''[[User_talk:Nokii|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Nokii|C]]·[[Special:Log/Nokii|L]]'') 19:03, 25 November 2018 (EST)
:Yes, and in addition, there was a Twitch stream that showed Incineroar's, so I linked to a clip of it in the edit summary. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 19:05, 25 November 2018 (EST)
::Well, if they're datamined, shouldn't they be removed? (I don't want to read them without hearing the audio first, so I'm not removing them myself.) <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Unowninator|contribs]]) 19:22, 25 November 2018 (EST)</small>
:::The text falls under "text information", which the wiki allows. — [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=]] [[User:Nokii|'''{{color|#8090d8|Nokii}}''']] (''[[User_talk:Nokii|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Nokii|C]]·[[Special:Log/Nokii|L]]'') 19:30, 25 November 2018 (EST)
::::And yet, most of them seem the be complete bunk added by IPs with no evidence to support them. I mean, separate conversations for Pokemon Trainer and each of his Pokemon? How would that even work? IMO, we shouldn't add any unless there's a video to accompany them to verify its legitimacy. After all, anyone can write something and claim it's from a text rip; a video with VO is harder to fake. '''Edit:''' Cool, now there's a video. I retract my previous statement. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.32.218.140|68.32.218.140]] 17:08, 28 November 2018 (EST)

== Don't delete the mountain of text we compiled next time. ==

There are videos everywhere. Don't assume that because the video isn't there that they "made it up". Ask for a citation so we don't have to undo 3 edits. --[[User:Phoenix|Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Phoenix|talk]]) 17:21, 28 November 2018 (EST)
:If it's real, you can undo all three edits at once with the push of a button. It's not that big a deal. And given the game isn't even out yet and most of these are from an IP who has added nothing to the wiki BUT guidance conversations, I think a little skepticism is warranted. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:23, 28 November 2018 (EST)
::Christ man I am ADDING the SOURCES. Can you wait, you redeleted my edit within 3 minutes, in which we added 7 sources --[[User:Phoenix|Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Phoenix|talk]]) 17:29, 28 November 2018 (EST)
:::So you're 24.212.100.66 then? In that case, you have to realize how that looks. An IP with no prior edit history suddenly adds a bunch of claims, some of which seem contradictory (again, PT AND his Pokemon?), with nothing to back them up and no way for most of us to verify because the game isn't out yet and we can't check it ourselves? You have to realize how that looks. Not all of us watch every single leaked stream, nor should we be obligated to. Until the big leak, all of the new additions had the benefit of a video link in the edit description or were featured on a major channel like GameXplain, so they weren't hard to confirm. It shouldn't be everyone else's responsibility to fact-check these things afterwards; at least until the game comes out, there needs to be a source to back it up when it's first added. (Honestly, though, if you had just added those from your username instead of an IP, I probably wouldn't have even paid it a second glance.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:39, 28 November 2018 (EST)

== doesn't work. ==

I tried many times in smash ultimate on palutena's temple. Pressing the downt aunt button for one frame with pit on palutena's temple causes pit to do his normal down taunt. 14:02, 6 January 2019 (EST)14:02, 6 January 2019 (EST)14:02, 6 January 2019 (EST)[[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]])

== Piranha Plant ==

Since he is DLC now, what is his guidance? [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 20:43, 29 January 2019 (EST)

== No conversations for DLC characters? ==

[https://youtu.be/rKmWrdJ3Cvk I found a video from GameXplain] which... Xplains that conversations for the DLC five in Ultimate (excluding of course PP) will either only be once again getting generic conversations or none at all. I can't confirm this though. Someone wanna look into it? [[Special:Contributions/124.149.122.96|124.149.122.96]] 02:17, 16 February 2019 (EST)

== "Though the dialogue was *originally* unchanged in ''Ultimate'', due to the Mii Gunner's redesigned outfit..." ==

Originally unchanged? What? You mean like it was changed in a patch or something? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 14:24, April 6, 2019 (EDT)
:Precisely.  [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: cyan;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: pink;">'''the Springing Rurouni'''</span>]] 14:26, April 6, 2019 (EDT)
::Do you know which version it was? I'd like to add it to the notes. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:25, April 6, 2019 (EDT)
==Japanese Palutena's Guidance==
You can see the Japanese version of Palutena's Guidance: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nON7pPl-Xis --[[User:Dharakjoo|Dharakjoo]] ([[User talk:Dharakjoo|talk]]) 07:01, March 2, 2020 (EST)

== What is Ryu's regional difference supposed to be? ==

Whoever wrote it did not write it well. I have no idea what is supposed to be. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:112.206.1.41|112.206.1.41]] ([[User talk:112.206.1.41|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/112.206.1.41|contribs]]) 22:41, February 28, 2022 (EST)</small>
:I think it's meant to say that, in place of the "sure you can" pun, it's a comment on the Three Sacred Treasures vs. the Great Sacred Treasure. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: pink;">'''the Lovely Rurouni'''</span>]] 23:16, February 28, 2022 (EST)
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