Editing Talk:Lucario

== Old discussion ==
Boy, Nintendo really screwed up accidentally confirming 3 characters to appear in Brawl, huh? I knew Ness and Jigglypuff were in, but Lucario is incredible! How could Nintendo not notice this? I'm not complaining, though, because we now have 28 characters confirmed to appear in Brawl.
[[User:DevonS|DevonS]] 16:15, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, so what is the actual name of Lucario's final smash? Is it [[Psybeam]] or [[Hyper Beam]]? We have conflicting information here that needs to be resolved. [[User:JoePlay|JoePlay]] ([[User_talk:JoePlay|talk]]) 17:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, at this point im about 70% sure that Lucario's [[Final Smash]] is actually called '''Flash Cannon'''. '''Hyper Beam''' appears more as an orange color, while '''Flash Cannon''' is consistant of a white/blue color, the color that shows up in his [[Final Smash]]. On top of that, according to the National Pokédex Book for Diamond/Pearl, Lucario cannot learn '''Psybeam''', and moves called '''Aurastorm''' and '''Aura Beam''' do NOT exist. However, Lucario can  learn '''Flash Cannon''' and '''Hyper Beam'''. Also, if the [[Final Smash]] was called '''Hyper Beam''', it would make a bit more sense that it would act like it does in the Pokémon video game, and exhaust Lucario for a time period. Besides that, '''Hyper Beam''' is a generic move that can be learned by most Pokémon. 

All of this is my own opinion, based of my preexisting knowledge of the Pokémon anime series and video game franchise. For all I know, I could be wrong. I'd recommend that we refrain from putting anything down as Lucario's [[Final Smash]] until Lucario is posted on the [[Smash Bros. DOJO!!]], from making us look foolish.

Yea. I care that much. :)

[[User:HalcyonSix|HalcyonSix]] 16:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
* I agree, we should wait for Dojo for official confirmation. [[User:Bonko24|Bonko24]] 20:07, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

OK. I'm starting to get a little pissed here. I stated DIRECTLY BELOW the special moves template that "The special moves posted have NOT been officially confirmed. Until Lucario is announced on the Smash Bros. website, please do NOT alter Lucario's special moves template in ANY way" and anonymous users keep changing them. If an administrator sees this, can you please semi-protect Lucario's page to stop this?

[[User:HalcyonSix|HalcyonSix]] 21:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

==Not GameGAQS==
I agree that pages like this should not exist; as a Smash Bros. Wiki, the site should only cover characters and properties that have appeared or at least even mentioned thus far in the Smash Bros. series. While Lucario may possibly be a new playable character, it has not been seen anywhere in Smashdom yet, so it gets no article. What I do think, however, is that every single little thing that ''has'' appeared in Smash Bros. games should be covered. I think every one of the 30 F-Zero X racers should get their own articles (though a merged article ''might'' be preferred, but I can't be positive) because all of their racing machines have appeared in both Melee stages and trophies, while there are actually a lot of other species of Pokemon that have been seen in Smash Bros. but aren't famous because they don't come out of Poke Balls; examples of these include the [[Geodude]] and [[Seel]] balloons in Poke-Floats, and in Melee's opening FMV a lot of otherwise unseen Pokemon such as [[Gligar]], [[Slowbro]], and [[Krabby]] are seen. Because each of these Pokemon are officially recognized video game characters who have made some sort of appearance in a Smash Bros. game, each of these should get their own articles IMO. Likewise, since Lucario has not appeared once in a Smash Bros. game yet, it should not have its own page, but if it does make an appearance later, it ''will'' have its own page.

People agree with me, right? [[User:Erik the Appreciator|Erik the Appreciator]] 22:13, May 5, 2007 (GMT)

Yes this is exactly the way it is now. If the wiki had more people helping we whould probably have all those articles. Although merging whould be the best way such as all the floats on the actual stages page. [[User:CircleTakesTheSquare|CircleTakesTheSquare]] 22:55, May 5, 2007 (GMT)

==Picture or Link==
Can we get a picture or a link to the leak on the released covers.
Like I did to the Krystal article, I'm going to go ahead and redirect this page to the Pokemon universe until he is confirmed, since there's hardly any administrators that come by.
:He IS confirmed, so don't redirect this:

http://s259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/KazeSSBB/ &ndash; [[User:EPX2|<b><i>EP</i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:EPX2|Talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/EPX2|Edits]])</small> 07:58, January 29, 2008 (EST)
==Gender References==
I suppose it is good to be consistent, and I won't edit the articles, but I really think this Lucario to be male. His "voice" is masculine (not just voice ACTOR, mind you, as Pikachu, widely considered to be male, is voiced by a woman, as well as Ash himself, among others), and even the Cresselia trophy, which mentions they are always female, still refuses to use gender-specific pronouns, so you can't really judge by that. Plus most Pokemon trophies are about the species in general, not a specific member. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] 07:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Then why did you jump all over me about Jigglypuff? Jigglypuff has a feminine voice. [[User:huntercrunch|huntercrunch]]
:About as feminine as Pikachu's. We're not talking Gardevoir here. Jigglypuff's voice is too high...or something...to really be sure. Maybe it's the timbre or some term, but it just doesn't sound like a normal person so it's hard to judge. Compare Munchlax. And for the record, I'm not changing anything, so don't get carried away. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] 07:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
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 ==Gender References==
 I suppose it is good to be consistent, and I won't edit the articles, but I really think this Lucario to be male. His "voice" is masculine (not just voice ACTOR, mind you, as Pikachu, widely considered to be male, is voiced by a woman, as well as Ash himself, among others), and even the Cresselia trophy, which mentions they are always female, still refuses to use gender-specific pronouns, so you can't really judge by that. Plus most Pokemon trophies are about the species in general, not a specific member. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] 07:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 Then why did you jump all over me about Jigglypuff? Jigglypuff has a feminine voice. [[User:huntercrunch|huntercrunch]]
 :About as feminine as Pikachu's. We're not talking Gardevoir here. Jigglypuff's voice is too high...or something...to really be sure. Maybe it's the timbre or some term, but it just doesn't sound like a normal person so it's hard to judge. Compare Munchlax. And for the record, I'm not changing anything, so don't get carried away. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] 07:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
-One thing to consider is Jiggly's Japanese voice. I'm sure they're both the same characters, but the "highness" of her voice is the result of 4kid's terrible VAs -_- [[User:huntercrunch|huntercrunch]]
-::Well from my experience, "Purin" didn't sound much different, but that's beside the point. We're not talking about that.- [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] 07:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
-While I respect your opinions, I think the best choice on this matter is to wait until Nintindo or a strategy guide confirms the Pokemon(s) genders. [[User:huntercrunch|huntercrunch]]
-The Codec conversations have Mei Ling referring to Lucario as male. Does that prove it? [[User:Supportmage|Supportmage]] 18:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
-Aparently Carbonkirby (did I get that right?) disagrees. And by the way, Lucario is not rare or ledgendary!! [[Special:Contributions/216.152.186.225|216.152.186.225]] 02:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-: You need to calm down. I just looked it on pokemon wiki and they even refer to lucario as an it, i'd call it a guy but i don't make the rules around here. [[User:Carbonkirby|Carbonkirby]] 02:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-:: Okay. I thought you were one of those guys who is unable to change his thoughts on anything. Sorry. [[Special:Contributions/216.152.186.225|216.152.186.225]] 02:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-The fact is, Lucario simply cannot be considered "he" because Pokémon don't have genders. Granted, they ''can'' have sexes, but do keep in mind that gender and sex are not necessarily the same. By definition, "sex" refers to physical aspects (i.e. reproductive organs), "gender" is how one is interpreted by society. Nintendo's official stance is Pokémon do not have genders no matter what their sexes may be. I know, Snake's Codec calls Lucario a "he". It actually also calls Lucario a "he" in the description for Event 25 as well. I honestly think those were mistakes that were overlooked in the rush to get the game out in time. I suspect they'll be changed to "it" for the PAL versions. Besides, even if the particular Lucario in ''Brawl'' is a "he", it still doesn't belong on this page because this article is about Lucario in general, not the one in ''Brawl'' anyway.--[[User:Bman87301|Bman87301]] 03:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-:I thought the main reasons pokemon were called "it" were:
-*Some pokemon have no sexual dimorphism (almost all of them before DP.)
-*It's easier to say "it" for fill-in-the-blanks type functions in the game, such as the pokemon fan clubs etc.
-*The pokemon in Smash are supposed to represent a species, not any specific pokemon. Sort of like how "Pokemon Trainer" doesn't have a given name.
-:- [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] 04:04, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-With the exception of maybe the last one (the Lucario in ''Brawl'' is almost certainly meant to represent the one from the movie),
-those reasons  most likely ''are'' why Nintendo ultimately chose their gender-neutrality policy for the franchise. Regardless of the reasons, it ''is'' their official stance nevertheless. With the exception of the two instances in ''Brawl'', all official Nintendo materials (such as their strategy guides and the Smash Bros. DOJO!! site) continue to refer to Lucario (and all other Pokémon) as "it". In order to stay consistent and professional-looking we ''have'' to refer to them the same way (no matter how ridiculous it may be at times). --[[User:Bman87301|Bman87301]] 14:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-So this arguement is over right? Pokemon are its here despite what the sound or act like. I'm all for Lucario being called a guy but again I don't make the rules here, and honestly this isn't really worth the commontion it is causing. [[User:Carbonkirby|Carbonkirby]] 15:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-I agree. This has clearly been settled. There's no need for further discussion on the subject, especially on ''this'' page since it's about the Lucario ''species'' and not [[Lucario (SSBB)]], whose gender dispute sparked this debate in the first place anyways. --[[User:Bman87301|Bman87301]] 16:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-== Trivia Section ==
-"''Lucario is the most recently-debuted character in the Super Smash Bros series.''"
-Can you add more information about this? ''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="green">123</font>]][[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="purple">Heart</font>]]'' [[file:PatheticStickFigure.jpg|20px|link=Special:Random]] 02:13, 1 February 2012 (EST)
-:What more is there to add? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 02:20, 1 February 2012 (EST)
-::I see now that it was just the way it was worded that threw me off; I guess I'm not used to thinking of the word "debuted" as meaning "revealed." Sorry about this. ''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="green">123</font>]][[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="purple">Heart</font>]]'' [[file:PatheticStickFigure.jpg|20px|link=Special:Random]] 02:46, 1 February 2012 (EST)
-:::I agree with {{User|Omega Tyrant}}, what more trivia can we added? There is like no more information about it. ([[User:Smashworker101|Smashworker101]] ([[User talk:Smashworker101|talk]]) 20:58, 17 November 2014 (EST))
-::::Don't reply to 2-year-old discussions. <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:#9f4f3f;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:#66CDAA;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 21:04, 17 November 2014 (EST)
-== Sword and Shield ==
-The bit in trivia about Lucario's inclusion in Sword and Shield is actually not that notable, as Squirtle, Ivysaur, Mewtwo, and Incineroar are found in the game's coding and could still be transferred via Pokemon HOME or obtained in Max Raid Battles. This makes Jigglypuff and Greninja the only ones to not appear in the base game. ([[Special:Contributions/173.63.50.61|173.63.50.61]] 21:07, June 9, 2020 (EDT))
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