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| This seems like a case of "the game hasn't been released yet, not everything was known at the time." Prior to release, there was no Final Fantasy spirits revealed. Upon release and the broken release date, Cloud was discovered in World of Light. While the speculation was a little blown out of proportion, this was just simply a matter of not having enough information available. [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 14:00, 23 January 2019 (EST) | | This seems like a case of "the game hasn't been released yet, not everything was known at the time." Prior to release, there was no Final Fantasy spirits revealed. Upon release and the broken release date, Cloud was discovered in World of Light. While the speculation was a little blown out of proportion, this was just simply a matter of not having enough information available. [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 14:00, 23 January 2019 (EST) |
| :In the end, because it was a matter of insufficient info, I feel that's the biggest factor in terms of leaving it out of this page. <font face="Papyrus">[[User:15DollarsWentSouth|<span style="color: darkblue;">'''15DollarsWentSouth'''</span>]]</font> 14:35, 23 January 2019 (EST) | | :In the end, because it was a matter of insufficient info, I feel that's the biggest factor in terms of leaving it out of this page. <font face="Papyrus">[[User:15DollarsWentSouth|<span style="color: darkblue;">'''15DollarsWentSouth'''</span>]]</font> 14:35, 23 January 2019 (EST) |
| ::I think trivia should be about factual events, not about people speculations. Like the rumor spreaded from Phil Spencer's tweet about Banjo & Kazooie is proper trivia, while the countless rumors about people wishfuly thinking their favorite character in the game is not. My two cents. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 14:45, 23 January 2019 (EST)
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| :::I'd argue the opposite, based on your two examples; people speculating that Banjo and Kazooie would be in Smash based on Phil Spencer's tweet is pure speculation, since he only said he was okay with the idea. On the other hand, [[Waluigi|people wanting a character and thinking that they're going to be in the game is entirely notable]].
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| :::That said, this ''was'' a thing that happened, regardless of how big it became, so that does make it, by your definition, a factual event; I also don't think it should be ignored or euphemized the way it currently is. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 11:43, 24 January 2019 (EST)
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| ::::You may argue the opposite, but the Phil Spencer's tweet is fact, it happened and it makes sense to archive that actual event. People randomly thinking a character could be in the game... pure speculation, no fact, nothing to report : You talk about Waluigi being wanted/speculated... ok, how much ? How many people wanted Waluigi in (for real, not for the meme) ? How many thought he would be in ? If Waluigi is worth mentionning because someone here feel like it was important, what about Sora ? What about Shovel Knight ? What about Geno ? What about Shadow ? What about Shantae ? What about Sans ? What about Spring Man and Ribbon Girl ? The list is endless... so where do you put the bar, and how do you measure that how much a character was wanted/speculated ? Short answer : You can't. That's the problem. In the Phil Spencer's tweet event, that's because of the tweet that it a proper trivia : it doesn't matter how much people wanted/speculated Banjo & Kazooie to be added, the trivia is that Phil Spencer answered to a tweet "Wouldn't it be cool ?" by a "Yes" that led some people (doesn't matter how many) to think that B&K were in the game. The tweet itself and its arguable misleadingness is the trivia here. Speculations are not trivia, any character is speculated in some extend (never forget that some people still serioulsy believe that Goku will end up joining...). If something concrete happened, it's trivia, it's worth mentioning, otherwise, if it's pure speculation, what's the point of archiving that some people baselessly thought something about the game while other people equaly baselessly thought the opposite ? [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 14:37, 24 January 2019 (EST)
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| After everything said, I think we should definitely remove this trivia. I can't help but think that Aidan might be biased in favor of keeping it simply because he was involved in the situation (being the person to clear things up). The fact remains that this was simply an episode of speculation that originated from a misleading version of this page. The incident itself was not that major and SmashWiki should be under no obligation to actually comment on it within the article itself. That would be better suited for the forums, Discord, or social media. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 16:49, 24 January 2019 (EST)
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| :Agreed. We're a sensible forum; we should be able to sort out the facts from the speculation. <font face="Papyrus">[[User:15DollarsWentSouth|<span style="color: darkblue;">'''15DollarsWentSouth'''</span>]]</font> 23:33, 24 January 2019 (EST)
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| ::If I truly was biased in favor of keeping it because I was the one to clear up the whole situation, then wouldn't I have put ''myself'' into the trivia point?
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| ::Regardless, I will back down, on the grounds that I am (seemingly) the only person in favor of keeping it in, bias or not, and I know an uphill battle when I see one, and I generally dislike fighting uphill battles when I know I'm at a disadvantage. (That, and this is the first comment made in a while.) [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: pink;">'''the Lovely Rurouni'''</span>]] 23:53, 9 February 2019 (EST)
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| == Cloud in World of Light == | | == Cloud in World of Light == |
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| Despite what the main article states, Cloud actually is in World of Light. Specifically, he's in the "Sacred Realm" sub-area within the "Dark Realm". [[Special:Contributions/97.88.58.90|97.88.58.90]] 02:19, 11 January 2019 (EST) | | Despite what the main article states, Cloud actually is in World of Light. Specifically, he's in the "Sacred Realm" sub-area within the "Dark Realm". [[Special:Contributions/97.88.58.90|97.88.58.90]] 02:19, 11 January 2019 (EST) |
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