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| The dark blue color swap looks exactly like Meta Knight without the mask. In Kirby: Planet Robobot, Meta Knight (as Mecha Knight) can be seen without the mask before quickly leaving when you defeat him. [[:User:Valehd|Valehd]] 10:45, 13 June 2016 (EDT) | | The dark blue color swap looks exactly like Meta Knight without the mask. In Kirby: Planet Robobot, Meta Knight (as Mecha Knight) can be seen without the mask before quickly leaving when you defeat him. [[:User:Valehd|Valehd]] 10:45, 13 June 2016 (EDT) |
| :I couldn't see his face very clearly when I beat him, but A. Mecha Knight was clearly a pretty different shade of blue than the costume and B. we probably wouldn't need to mention this anyway, since Planet Robobot came out after Smash 4. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 11:26, 13 June 2016 (EDT) | | :I couldn't see his face very clearly when I beat him, but A. Mecha Knight was clearly a pretty different shade of blue than the costume and B. we probably wouldn't need to mention this anyway, since Planet Robobot came out after Smash 4. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 11:26, 13 June 2016 (EDT) |
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| == Trivia Confusion ==
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| Ok, so I know Banjo appeared in Diddy Kong Racing, and Sonic appeared in some racing game as an air freshener or something, but what game did Kirby appearing before Kirby's Dream Land (1992). He appeared as a cursor in Earthbound's debug menu, but that was in 1994.
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| [[User:GuyThatExists|GuyThatExists]] ([[User talk:GuyThatExists|talk]]) 23:00, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Kirby Hat Trophies ==
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| Why aren't the Kirby Hat trophies included alongside his other trophies from Melee? [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 10:47, March 14, 2021 (EDT)
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| == Kirby's first appearance: Kirby's Dream Land or Arcana? ==
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| I'd like some discussion about Kirby's first appearance since there's some conflict between edits on if Kirby first starred in Arcana or Kirby's Dream Land. For reference, here is Kirby's [https://wikirby.com/wiki/List_of_references_to_the_Kirby_series#Arcana supposed cameo in Arcana].
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| Arguments for this being Kirby's first appearance include Arcana also being developed by HAL Laboratory, the game releasing exactly a month before Kirby's Dream Land meaning the timeframe matches up, and it just unmistakably ressembles the pink puffball.
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| However, counterarguments include the fact that Kirby's cameo in this game isn't as clear-cut as Sonic's cameo in Rad Mobile, Masahiro Sakurai had no involvement with Arcana (though longtime Kirby composer Jun Ishikawa was involved with Arcana), and there's two Kirbies present rather than just the one.
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| So the question is: which of these two games should be mentioned as Kirby's debut? Would really like some discussion on this. [[User:Meeper12346|Meeper12346]] ([[User talk:Meeper12346|talk]]) 21:39, April 12, 2022 (EDT)
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| :Considering the cameo is questionable and just a cameo, I think it's best to have his actual debut mentioned with a nod to Arcana in the trivia section at most. [[User:Zeckemyro|Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck]] ([[User talk:Zeckemyro|talk]]) 21:44, April 12, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::I think there's a good chance it is Kirby. The reference image has a lot of detailed spritework save for "Kirby"—if it was a normal enemy like a slime I'd imagine they'd at least put some shine on it, instead it is very simplistic like Kirby appears in Kirby's Dream Land. While Sakurai had no involvement on Arcana, he is listed as a "special thanks". --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 22:15, April 12, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::I've touched on this [[Special:Diff/1624292|on the ''Kingdom Hearts'' spirits page]], but it is my belief that character debuts should be based on more than a cameo/teased appearance. It's nice to see stuff get teased beforehand, but there is a difference between Banjo debuting in Diddy Kong Racing or Roy debuting in Melee, and Kirby appearing in Arcana or Sonic appearing in Rad Mobile. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: cyan;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: pink;">'''the Springing Rurouni'''</span>]] 22:16, April 12, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::If that's the case, then I feel as though the mention of Sonic's debut in Rad Mobile [[Sonic the Hedgehog|should be removed from his article]]. Either both Arcana and Rad Mobile should be mentioned, or neither of them should be mentioned.[[User:Meeper12346|Meeper12346]] ([[User talk:Meeper12346|talk]]) 11:09, April 13, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::I agree with that. Simple cameos shouldn't count as actual debuts. [[User:Zeckemyro|Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck]] ([[User talk:Zeckemyro|talk]]) 13:15, April 13, 2022 (EDT)
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| <small>(Reset indent)</small>If we're not counting the ''Final Mix'' secret endings as debuts, then I'd also add Dark Samus's debut to the list, since her appearance in the first ''Prime'' game's secret ending basically counts as a debut as much as the ''Birth by Sleep'' trio's appearance in ''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix''{{'}}s secret ending. [[File:JacketTerraSig1.png|20px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:JacketTerraSig2.png|20px]] 13:44, April 13, 2022 (EDT)
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| :Dark Samus is another issue, though. Canonically, she's Metroid Prime, which appeared in the game of the same name. While her Dark Samus appearance debuted in Metroid Prime 2 Echoes, She actually debuted in the first game as THE Metroid Prime. This is way more than a cameo. [[User:Zeckemyro|Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck]] ([[User talk:Zeckemyro|talk]]) 17:04, April 13, 2022 (EDT)
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