Editing Talk:Crowd

== Telling ==
I'm browsing through this Wiki when I see this page: [[Crowd Favorite]]. It had all of the crowd's gasp for Brawl. But no [[Super Smash Bros.|SSB]] or [[Super Smash Bros. Melee|Melee]] crowd. Now, that's meant we only can copy it from there. My question: Can we copy it then use it here?? And can we add some sort of "See Also"? OK, that's all. [[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span> [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]]  08:51, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:That page will have to be merged with this one, which I can do later. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:20, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
::MERGE.--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 10:35, 20 April 2011 (EDT)


==Merge==
I suggested it a while ago but no one has said anything yet. '''Same content!''' merge this!--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 10:36, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

== Sound clips? ==

Should their be sound clips for each character's cheers? They could be uploaded in the ogg file type, and could include both NTSC and Japanese sound bytes. <span style="font-family: Sonic XBd BT; font-size: 12pt"> [[User:Conny|<font color="black">Con</font>]][[User talk:Conny|<font color="gray">ny</font>]] [[File:Airconny Snake Sig.png|20px]] </span> 15:54, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
:Yes. We could split these [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g35Tqm_w5Jc two] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuSR2aul1AE videos] into separate .ogg files and have them alongside the descriptions, or (for convenience) we could just add them to a gallery at the bottom of the page. Either way, an audio equivalent would demonstrate the article much better. [[User:SSBToad|SSBToad]] ([[User talk:SSBToad|talk]]) 13:25, 28 May 2013 (EDT)
::Oh, it's alright. I can directly dump the audio with Dolphin and with Fraps for SSB64 (since PJ64 doesn't have this function.) Placing them directly next to their description seems like a more viable idea, instead of the gallery, since the files are going to be jumbled up, but that's in my vision, and it's alright to object on that.

::I'll get started as soon as I can (which is right about now). <span style="font-family: Sonic XBd BT; font-size: 12pt"> [[User:Conny|<font color="black">Con</font>]][[User talk:Conny|<font color="gray">ny</font>]] [[File:Airconny Snake Sig.png|20px]] </span> 21:48, 28 May 2013 (EDT)
:::Fantastic! Thank you for doing that. I'd like to reformat the tables themselves into wikitables (for neatness), so I'll start doing that now. (BTW, I actually meant putting the videos themselves in a gallery, not the sound clips. However, what you're doing is much better :)). [[User:SSBToad|SSBToad]] ([[User talk:SSBToad|talk]]) 22:13, 28 May 2013 (EDT)
::::Okay, good, because my knowledge on wikitables is nothing but a spec of grain right now (seems like I wasn't studying up like I was suppose to these last few months). 

::::I actually thought you meant placing the audio snips into a gallery, so I naturally though, "Oh, please no.". Let's just not place the videos into the page now anyways, it'll just ruin the whole aspect of the files. :P Anyways, I'll get started on the others on another day. Ripping, rendering, and converting is easier said than done. --<span style="font-family: Sonic XBd BT; font-size: 12pt"> [[User:Conny|<font color="black">Con</font>]][[User talk:Conny|<font color="gray">ny</font>]] [[File:Airconny Snake Sig.png|20px]] </span> 22:29, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

:::::Agreed. I've just updated the tables (you can now sort them, plus they look consistent with other tables on the wiki) so feel free to add to them when you can :). I've also added <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[template:Incomplete|incomplete]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> to the article until the files are uploaded (standard procedure), but you can remove the template if you have it under control. [[User:SSBToad|SSBToad]] ([[User talk:SSBToad|talk]]) 23:42, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

::::::It looks much better now. The character icons were a nice touch, if I do say so myself. Keep the template there, unless I magically refresh the page and all clips are there, this isn't much of a completed page, as of now anyways. <span style="font-family: Sonic XBd BT; font-size: 12pt"> [[User:Conny|<font color="black">Con</font>]][[User talk:Conny|<font color="gray">ny</font>]] [[File:Airconny Snake Sig.png|20px]] </span> 17:01, 29 May 2013 (EDT)

I have in my possession, every one of the NTSC Melee chants. They seem to be of higher quality than the ones already present (Jiggs, Pichu, Roy). The problem is this: to rip the chants, I used dolphin to get them directly from the game's ROM. The files were exported from the DAT files as DSP files then were direct formatted into WAV files. I do have the means of getting the OGGs through Audacity, but frankly, that is WAY too time consuming, although FAR faster than doing it through YouTube. Any suggestions? As a point of reference to the quality, I have done this for Marth's NTSC chant and uploaded it. 

Also, if there were a way to do this a little quicker, would I replace the existing low-qual sounds? [[User:Serpent King|Serpent King]] ([[User talk:Serpent King|talk]]) 05:58, 18 March 2015 (EDT)

:In addition, I actually have every sound in the game. I don't know if that's helpful or not. [[User:Serpent King|Serpent King]] ([[User talk:Serpent King|talk]]) 06:14, 18 March 2015 (EDT)

== Chants for Jiggs in SSBM PAL ==

The crowd shouts something sounding like "Dong-dong" in both French and German, despite its name being "Rondoudou" and "Pummeluff", respectively. Does anybody have an idea how to explain this? - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]].</font> 14:12, 7 June 2013 (EDT)

== Japanese clips for SSBB ==

If you can't change the language to Japanese like in Melee, how do we get the rest of the Japanese clips? [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 13:49, 3 August 2013 (EDT)
:Using a Japanese version of the game? [[User:Scr7|<font style="color:#0000FF">S</font><font style="color:#7F7FFF">c</font><font style="color:#00FFFF">r</font>]][[User talk:Scr7|<font style="color:#FF7F00">7</font>]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/Scr7]] 13:50, 3 August 2013 (EDT)
::He's asking just ''how'' will you get the Japanese sound clips in the first place. :P Anyways, leave it to me, I have a NTSC to JAP ISO that has all the crowd voice clips, and, I've been a bit busy, so, I haven't the time for this. Sorry for the delay. --<span style="font-family: Sonic XBd BT; font-size: 12pt"> [[User:Conny|<font color="black">Con</font>]][[User talk:Conny|<font color="gray">ny</font>]] [[File:Airconny Snake Sig.png|20px]] </span> 14:04, 3 August 2013 (EDT)
I have the JP clips in Melee but I don't know if I can or how to convert the files (Wave Sound files) to ogg. Help? [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 14:32, 3 August 2013 (EDT)
:Use this: http://media.io/ <span style="font-family: Sonic XBd BT; font-size: 12pt"> [[User:Conny|<font color="black">Con</font>]][[User talk:Conny|<font color="gray">ny</font>]] [[File:Airconny Snake Sig.png|20px]] </span> 14:34, 3 August 2013 (EDT)

== Roy's Our Boy Again? ==

My friend just proceeded to tell me that he was watching a Twitch stream (I'd give the link, but my iPod refuses to copy links at the moment), and he noticed something; apparently, Roy Koopa has...in a way..."stolen" {{SSBM|Roy}}'s chant from Melee. And, as a bonus, this confirms that palette swaps with name changes will get different crowd chants. Now, I actually haven't watched the link (I don't want ''everything'' spoiled, you know), so I can't say whether or not this is a direct port from Melee or not. But, it should at least be worth mentioning...shouldn't it? [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 23:44, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
:Until we can verify it's a direct port, it's not really noteworthy. If it's not a direct port, it's just a coincidence. The fanbase has been saturated with "Roy confirmed" jokes as it is, we don't need to bring that to the wiki. <span style="font-family:Magneto">[[User:Air Conditioner|{{Color|Navy|Return of}}]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|{{Color|#007BA7|Air Conditioner}}]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] is really feeling it! 07:12, 1 October 2014 (EDT)
::Now that I have access to my laptop, I can now send the link [http://www.twitch.tv/jed05  as proof]. Keep in mind, I don't know which video it is, but it's definitely on there somewhere. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 07:47, 1 October 2014 (EDT)

== Ice Climbers' chant in SSB4 ==

Since it is only in the Japanese version, they could just be saying, "Mu-ra-bi-to!". [[User:Awesomelink234|Awes]]o[[User_talk:Awesomelink234|melink234]] [[Shulk (SSB4)|is really feeling it!]] 19:07, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
:I very clearly here at least one "na" and one "po", which would make it "Na-ra-po-to". I doubt it. <small>''---Previously unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]''</small> 19:09, 16 October 2014 (EDT)

== Split discussion. ==

'''Support split'''. Page is already at 27k+ bytes and will only grow larger as more sound files are added.

--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  14:24, 15 December 2014 (EST)
:'''Support.''' The page is going to get larger, and it'll be easier to search for, in a sense, if a person wants to hear the crowd chants from a specific game. <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:red;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:green;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 15:00, 15 December 2014 (EST)
::'''Support''': Why don't we just put the sound files on the respective character's page (i.e., put Marth's crowd chants [[Marth (SSBM)|on]] [[Marth (SSBB)|his]] [[Marth (SSB4)|pages]]), and delete this page as a whole? [[File:AidanzapunkSig.jpg]][[User:BlueStreak|<span style="color: blue;">'''BlueStreak'''</span>]] [[User talk:BlueStreak|<span style="color: blue;">'''Speeds By'''</span>]] 18:54, 15 December 2014 (EST)
:::The crowd has some function within ''Melee'', thus making such an article appropriate. Furthermore, a centralised "hub" for all of the crowd's voice samples would be more useful than all of the sound files scattered all over the Wiki.

:::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  19:42, 16 December 2014 (EST)
::::I would support this as soon as we can get a decent amount of sound files for SSB4, so that List of crowd cheers (SSB4) is '''not''' completely barren. <font face="sand">''[[User:Qwerty|<font color="black">Qw</font><font color="003F3F">er</font><font color="005F5F">ty</font>]] ''[[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="005F6F">(t</font><font color="003C6F">al</font><font color="000F7F">k)</font>]]</font> 15:36, 29 December 2014 (EST)
:'''Support'''. How would we handle the general crowd cheers and gasps, though? <span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span> ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 06:59, 13 April 2015 (EDT)
'''disagree.''' the page shouldn't be split. we NEED the list. we don't HAVE to split it as if it would save the world or whatever.  i'm [[:User:Valehd|Valehd]] the smashbro pro!([[User talk:Valehd|talk]]) 17:46, 24 March 2015 (EDT)
:'''disagree.''' The pages would just end up being stubs. And we already have 1000 of those. [[File:LuigiHeadSSBM.png|16px]] [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color: #008833;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 09:46, 7 April 2015 (EDT)
::@Valehd, it would need to be split because the wiki can only handle so much space on a page.
::@Serpent King, they'd be small, but I doubt they'd be any bigger than any of the [[Masterpieces|Masterpiece pages]].
::[[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 09:49, 7 April 2015 (EDT)
::'''disagree''' Per all --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 13:40, 11 May 2015 (EDT)
'''Neutral, leaning towards support.''' It seems kind of unnecessary because there aren't that many, but at the same time nearly every other page like this is split, it seems inconsistent. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]] </small>  17:55, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:Bump. We have 3.5 supports (I am assuming Aidan is support, Nutta is the half) and 3 opposes. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 08:45, 16 July 2015 (EDT)

One final bump. It's been ~8 months, so I plan to go with the majority opinion by the end of the day. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: LawnGreen">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] <span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span> [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 10:16, 5 September 2015 (EDT)

== girls too ==

the deep male voice cheers in meelee have females in them. i listened closely.  i'm [[:User:Valehd|Valehd]] the smashbro pro!([[User talk:Valehd|talk]]) 17:49, 24 March 2015 (EDT)

== So is anyone ever going to finish sounds for JP Brawl and 4? ==

I feel like I have already contributed to this enough by doing the Melee ones, and I cannot do 4's because I do not have it. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 20:01, 14 May 2015 (EDT)

Find the sound files from The Sounds Resource. It's very easy. [[Special:Contributions/121.180.199.162|121.180.199.162]] 22:36, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

== Roy's our boy ==

Sorry, Amiibae. Uploaded the Roy one before you. Then again, is the Ryu cheer an .ogg file? --[[User:BeepYou|BeepYou]] ([[User talk:BeepYou|talk]]) 16:00, 13 June 2015 (EDT)

== So here's the thing. ==

I just looked it up and...well SSB4 characters have different crowd cheers for different countries. Each has a US, Japanese, French, German, Italian, Spanish, and British version...If we are to include all of this, something different must be done.
*source: http://www.sounds-resource.com/wii_u/supersmashbrosforwiiu/ [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 02:52, 6 August 2015 (EDT)

== Certain patterns I have noticed ==

So a direct reason for crowd cheering doesn't seem to exist... but there are some things in SSB4 that can relate to it. Sometimes, instead of the crowd subtlety cheering after someone is launched as usual, they will start to flourish into a clap, then quickly silence. Many times, but not always, a cheer for either the character that was launched or the launcher begins. Can anyone vouch for me here? [[User: RobSir_zx|<span style="color:orange">Rob</span><span style="color:blue">'''Sir '''</span>]] [[File:RobSir-sig.jpg|16px|link=http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/8/8d/G%26WTheme.ogg]] [[Special:Contributions/RobSir zx|<span style="color:red">zx</span>]] 01:56, 26 March 2016 (EDT)
:Yep, pretty much wat you said. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 02:31, 26 March 2016 (EDT)
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 ==Merge==
-I suggested it a while ago but no one has said anything yet. '''Same content!''' merge this!--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 10:36, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
+I suggested it a while ago but no one has said anything yet. '''Same content!''' merge this!--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 10:36, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
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 :'''Support'''. How would we handle the general crowd cheers and gasps, though? <span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span> ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 06:59, 13 April 2015 (EDT)
 '''disagree.''' the page shouldn't be split. we NEED the list. we don't HAVE to split it as if it would save the world or whatever.  i'm [[:User:Valehd|Valehd]] the smashbro pro!([[User talk:Valehd|talk]]) 17:46, 24 March 2015 (EDT)
-:'''disagree.''' The pages would just end up being stubs. And we already have 1000 of those. [[File:SKSig.png|16px]] [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color: #008833;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 09:46, 7 April 2015 (EDT)
+:'''disagree.''' The pages would just end up being stubs. And we already have 1000 of those. [[File:LuigiHeadSSBM.png|16px]] [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color: #008833;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 09:46, 7 April 2015 (EDT)
 ::@Valehd, it would need to be split because the wiki can only handle so much space on a page.
 ::@Serpent King, they'd be small, but I doubt they'd be any bigger than any of the [[Masterpieces|Masterpiece pages]].
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 So a direct reason for crowd cheering doesn't seem to exist... but there are some things in SSB4 that can relate to it. Sometimes, instead of the crowd subtlety cheering after someone is launched as usual, they will start to flourish into a clap, then quickly silence. Many times, but not always, a cheer for either the character that was launched or the launcher begins. Can anyone vouch for me here? [[User: RobSir_zx|<span style="color:orange">Rob</span><span style="color:blue">'''Sir '''</span>]] [[File:RobSir-sig.jpg|16px|link=http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/8/8d/G%26WTheme.ogg]] [[Special:Contributions/RobSir zx|<span style="color:red">zx</span>]] 01:56, 26 March 2016 (EDT)
 :Yep, pretty much wat you said. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 02:31, 26 March 2016 (EDT)
-== What does it mean? ==
-Hay, in this article it says that it is incomplete, and "When does it stop in Ultimate"? Could somebody please explain to me what it means, so I can fix it? '''It's ya boi, [[User:KirboBoi64|KirboBoi]].''' ''[[User talk:KirboBoi64|<span style="color: #FDB0D4">Poyo</span>]]''. [[File:StarSign.png|16px]] 13:28, April 8, 2021 (EDT)
-:I think it is referring to the second to last paragraph where it talks about the crowd "disappearing" at certain points in single-player modes. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 13:39, April 8, 2021 (EDT)
-== Changing Kirby's Japanese Crowd Cheer description ==
-[[Kirby (SSB)#Crowd cheer|All]] [[Kirby (SSBM)#Crowd cheer|of]] [[Kirby (SSBB)#Crowd cheer|the]] [[Kirby (SSB4)#Crowd cheer|pages]] [[Kirby (SSBU)#Crowd cheer|describing]] [[List of crowd cheers (SSB)|the]] [[List of crowd cheers (SSBM)|Kirby's]] [[List of crowd cheers (SSBB)|Japanese]] [[List of crowd cheers (SSB4)|Crowd]] [[List of crowd cheers (SSBU)/Japanese|Cheer]] describes it as "Kirby" (separated in various ways like "Kir-by" or "Ki-r-by" depending of the game). The thing is that the Japanese Cheer of Kirby clearly says "Kābī" (can also be written as Kābii, Kaabī or Kaabii) which is his Japanese name. The difference lies in the first syllable, which instead of an "i" and a "r" uses two "a" and thus is pronounced a bit different, so I was wondering if it should be changed (changing "Kir-by" to "Kaa-bii" and "Ki-r-by" to "Ka-a-bii" etc.). My reasons for this are:
-*As I said before, the pronunciation isn't the same in both idioms (unlike characters like Mario).
-*There are some characters that do use their romanized pronunciations in their Japanese descriptions instead of their English translations, like Alex, Bayonetta, Chrom, Dr. Mario, Duck Hunt, Link, etc. So I think that Kirby, or well, Kābī should too.
-I would change this myself, but as I'm not familiarized with Smash Wiki's policies, I don't know if that is a change that should be done or not. I suppose that the reason of why Kirby was used instead of Kābī is because the former is the "translation" of the later, and maybe this Wiki's policies states that in those cases the translations of the names should be used (though is that was the case, I suppose that the names of Alex, Chrom, Dr. Mario and others should be changed). So, could someone that have an understanding of this Wiki's policies confirm or deny me if romanization of names is preferred in Japanese Descriptions of Crowd Cheers? And thus, confirm or deny if changing "Kirby" to "Kābī" would be a good change? Thanks. -[[User:Kirbeat|Kirbeat]] ([[User talk:Kirbeat|talk]]) 19:35, October 9, 2021 (EDT)
-:"Ka-bi" (and the variations) would be a more accurate transliteration and I don't see any reason not change it to that. The Korean version ought to also be changed to be more accurate (romanization is "Keobi"). --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 19:48, October 9, 2021 (EDT)
-::Alright then, thanks! I will change them, I suppose that if an admin doesn't find them to be good changes, they can always revert the changes anyways. -[[User:Kirbeat|Kirbeat]] ([[User talk:Kirbeat|talk]]) 21:09, October 9, 2021 (EDT)
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