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| Okay this got fixed. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Superlative 11:40, 16 May 2014 (EDT) | | Okay this got fixed. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Superlative 11:40, 16 May 2014 (EDT) |
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| Registration expired again about an hour and a half ago. [[User:Oscuritaforze|Oscuritaforze]] ([[User talk:Oscuritaforze|talk]]) 04:41, 23 December 2014 (EST)
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| :...are you serious? I've been counting the days and it wasn't time yet. Ugh. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Steppin' 10:06, 23 December 2014 (EST)
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| :Okay I found the problem. Not only was the expiry time shorter than I was lead to believe (two weeks, not two months), but so was the minimum userlevel required to maintain it (300, not just "any op"). Once GameSurge's website starts working properly, we'll give all our ops level 300, and that should be a much stronger fix. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Wacko 10:40, 23 December 2014 (EST)
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| I will no longer tolerate any sort of Twitch-like chatspam. Offenders will be banned if they don't knock it off. Offenders will also be banned if I hear any more complaints from other NIWA wikis (with suitable proof of course). If things don't quiet down effectively, I'll get SpamServ into the channel to help curb it. We've been too lax on this and it's time to quit screwing around. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 18:58, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | | I will no longer tolerate any sort of Twitch-like chatspam. Offenders will be banned if they don't knock it off. Offenders will also be banned if I hear any more complaints from other NIWA wikis (with suitable proof of course). If things don't quiet down effectively, I'll get SpamServ into the channel to help curb it. We've been too lax on this and it's time to quit screwing around. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 18:58, 22 October 2014 (EDT) |
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| :I'm going to chime in here and add my own point of view. I've seen the spam here, (posting in ALL CAPS, typing out odd faces with characters I've never seen on a normal keyboard, using non-existant words like "goy" and "uwu", etc.) and I'll admit, it's pretty boring to come on IRC anymore because of it. Every time I show up, it's pretty much the same group of users clogging the chat with constant uses of the examples listed earlier in this post, among LOLs and other shit like that, so I fully agree with reinforcing the no-spam rule. As for the trolling...I honestly haven't seen it. The only thing that comes to mind that even resembles trolling is that overused "tech skill" joke, but from what I've seen, it hasn't offended anyone. Also, I've occasionally seen users badmouthing other IRC regulars (most notably, Brian) when the users that the conversation is centered on aren't in the chat. Though of course, the trolling that you're specifically referring to might be a different case. | | :I'm going to chime in here and add my own point of view. I've seen the spam here, (posting in ALL CAPS, typing out odd faces with characters I've never seen on a normal keyboard, using non-existant words like "goy" and "uwu", etc.) and I'll admit, it's pretty boring to come on IRC anymore because of it. Every time I show up, it's pretty much the same group of users clogging the chat with constant uses of the examples listed earlier in this post, among LOLs and other shit like that, so I fully agree with reinforcing the no-spam rule. As for the trolling...I honestly haven't seen it. The only thing that comes to mind that even resembles trolling is that overused "tech skill" joke, but from what I've seen, it hasn't offended anyone. Also, I've occasionally seen users badmouthing other IRC regulars |
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| :So here's my idea. First things first, I say we remove the "All enforcement is done at a moderator's discretion" rule, since every time I see these things happening on the channel, there are usually about 3-4 mods on, (not counting you) and from what I've seen they haven't done anything. From now on, the mod should immediately take action when they see someone breaking a rule and/or receive a log of it. Oh, and while I suggest that, I might as well suggest another rule that I've been planning to propose for months now, since I think that it may help alleviate the situation somewhat: | | :So here's my idea. First things first, I say we remove the "All enforcement is done at a moderator's discretion" rule, since every time I see these things happening on the channel, there are usually about 3-4 mods on, (not counting you) and from what I've seen they haven't done anything. From now on, the mod should immediately take action when they see someone breaking a rule and/or receive a log of it. Oh, and while I suggest that, I might as well suggest another rule that I've been planning to propose for months now, since I think that it may help alleviate the situation somewhat: |
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| :Hopefully this rule, plus my other suggestions will make the IRC a better place. Aaaand, that's all I've got. '''[[User:MeatBall104|MeatBall104;]]''' [[User talk:MeatBall104|Now with lean,]] [[Special:Contributions/MeatBall104|grass-fed Angus!]] 19:27, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | | :Hopefully this rule, plus my other suggestions will make the IRC a better place. Aaaand, that's all I've got. '''[[User:MeatBall104|MeatBall104;]]''' [[User talk:MeatBall104|Now with lean,]] [[Special:Contributions/MeatBall104|grass-fed Angus!]] 19:27, 22 October 2014 (EDT) |
| ::A "don't post short lines" rule is kind of pointless. If people are abusing short lines, that's naturally spam. And enforcement is done at mod discretion by definition, that's not something that can be removed. The point of this post is to say that mods (including myself) are being too lax. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brazen 19:35, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
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| :::@MeatBall104: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goy Goy is a real word.] Your argument is invalid. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' 19:40, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
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| :::(Edit conflict) I guess I'm better off simply stating my POV. I fully agree that the mods should step up their game. However, I only proposed those slight rule-changes to make the results even bigger when they're combined with the mods actually working to stop this spam and trolling. My removal of the enforcement rule was BECAUSE of how the mods weren't enforcing the no-spam rule (seriously, all they ever did was just sit there and pay seemingly no attention to all this crap), and I proposed to add the no short lines rule to minimize spam even further. So, sorry if I wasn't completely clear. Additionally, maybe adding a SpamServ in addition to BOTH of those would increase the result even more. Now as for me, I'm going to step out so others can say something to help move this discussion along.
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| :::Also, @DP I never knew that it was a real word. I stand corrected. '''[[User:MeatBall104|MeatBall104;]]''' [[User talk:MeatBall104|Now with lean,]] [[Special:Contributions/MeatBall104|grass-fed Angus!]] 19:57, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
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| ::::This was not intended to be a discussion. For lack of a better word, it was intended to be a warning. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Xanthic 20:01, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
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| Have you outlawed Mibbit? [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 21:26, 6 December 2014 (EST)
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| :Works fine for me. And I used an iPod. Probably just your computer or something, try checking again and joining multiple times; if it doesn't come up within 5 attempts, then there's a problem. <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:red;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:green;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 21:51, 6 December 2014 (EST)
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| Are you on camera while using the IRC Channel? I want to know before I join sometime or now. ([[User:Smashworker101|Smashworker101]] ([[User talk:Smashworker101|talk]]) 23:40, 14 December 2014 (EST))
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| :No, you aren't. <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:red;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:green;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 23:42, 14 December 2014 (EST)
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| ::Good, because I don't want to reveal my identity. ([[User:Smashworker101|Smashworker101]] ([[User talk:Smashworker101|talk]]) 23:44, 14 December 2014 (EST))
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| It has seem to come to my attention that #sw's active people have eroded and with that, the channel might be dead. I would like to request closing it down since nobody seems to go on there anymore. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Mac 15:17, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
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| :And change the odds of revival from "could happen" to "impossible"? Nope. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] El Pollo 16:49, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
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| ::Well I'm just saying that the chat is pretty inactive. Like what the heck happened to everybody? [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Windows 17:46, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
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| ::Toomai, since you don't want to close the channel, I have to wonder: Why haven't you been on in over two weeks, past the point in which channels on GameSurge expire, even just to make sure for yourself it stays current? '''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]]'''[[File:JH-Heartless.png|15px|link=Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123]]'''[[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="orange">Heart</font>]]''' 19:34, 25 March 2015 (EDT)
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| ::I made a thirty minute conversation with someone two days ago in IRC after lurking daily in two months, so that's good I guess. We do introduce IRC to the new users, don't we? Like in the welcoming thing they did to everyone years ago, because that could work (Emphasis on could). [[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span> [[Image:Meta+Kirby.jpg|23px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/KirbytheAmazing|'''Know my power!''']] 06:27, 26 March 2015 (EDT)
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| Last time someone with the required access was on the channel was 1 week, 6 days ago. Just a heads up. [[User:Oscuritaforze|Oscuritaforze]] ([[User talk:Oscuritaforze|talk]]) 22:56, 9 August 2015 (EDT)
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| Since its registration expired, #sw is no longer a channel on gamesurge, let alone nobody talks over there anymore. We should probably discontinue this (like have SmashWiki no longer link to #sw). [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Zerg Rush 16:05, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
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| Well, since nobody responded at first, let me put it to you guys in a simpler matter if any of you guys would care to listen. There is only one or two IRC user(s) in the chatroom and there has been literally no discussion at all for three months by now. Chanserv has left the channel so this means that #sw is no longer a registered channel with ops, voices, modes, etc. Why still leave a link to the channel on the [[Main page]] when nobody goes no there anymore? [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Reaper 19:48, 3 November 2015 (EST)
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| :You know what? If it's so dead right now, this is probably a good time to move it over from #sw to #smashwiki. I think I'll do that; it might stir up presence again, and the only thing stopping us before was not wanting the hassle of moving everyone over (which there isn't right now). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Incomperable 16:54, 12 November 2015 (EST)
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| ::So be it. I'm at least trying to get your attention of what we can do to this channel. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Wii U 17:08, 12 November 2015 (EST)
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| "This data is not supported by the PS4" [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbyHeadYellowSSB.png|50x20px]] 21:07, 9 February 2016 (EST)
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| :Yeah, the PS4 doesn't do IRC protocol. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 21:09, 9 February 2016 (EST)
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| It's been a while since the last discussion, so I think that we should do another vote, should we move to discord or not? [[File:PoultrysigSSB4.png|20x50px]][[User:Poultry|<font color="red">'''Poultry'''</font>]][[File:PoultrysigSSBM.png|20x50px]]''([[User talk:Poultry#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' the God-Slayer 15:15, 6 November 2016 (EST)
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| #'''Support''' [[File:PoultrysigSSB4.png|20x50px]][[User:Poultry|<font color="red">'''Poultry'''</font>]][[File:PoultrysigSSBM.png|20x50px]]''([[User talk:Poultry#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' the God-Slayer 15:15, 6 November 2016 (EST)
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| #'''Support''', the IRC is on life support as it is, and I think it's about time we pulled the plug as it were. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 11:44, 22 January 2018 (EST)
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| #'''Neutral''' - See the comments section for more details. <b>-- [[File:Yellow sig.png|16px]] [[User:Yellow|<span style="color:#000;text-shadow: 1px 2px 3px #CCCC00;">Yellow</span>]] [[User talk:Yellow|<span style="color:#006400;text-shadow: 1px 2px 3px #9ACD32;">of the Grove</span>]]</b> 03:43, 8 November 2016 (EST)
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| #'''Still a major oppose''' Ultimately, I still see no reason to fix what isn't broken. There's a lot of factors here, but the main one is that we barely ever get anyone on the IRC to begin with. I mean, if we did move to Discord, there is a chance we'd get more people, but one thing I feel is necessary to point out is that Serpent King at one point tried to put together a SmashWiki Discord and that fell through. What it boils down to, quoting something Toomai said one time, all the arguments boil down to are "Discord is new and improved" while "the IRC is well-established and popular". New doesn't always mean better, and, as someone who uses Discord, I still don't think Discord's good enough for a new SW IRC yet. It's getting close to what I'd prefer it to be, but it may still take another year. Maybe more, maybe less. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 15:29, 6 November 2016 (EST)
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| #Usually when reopening discussion, the basis on doing so is that something has changed. So what's changed here? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 16:41, 6 November 2016 (EST)
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| #IRC is simple to use via the special page and works well enough that I don't think the time to reorganize would be worthwhile. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 00:56, 8 November 2016 (EST)
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| *@SK, all major smash groups now use Discord, and due to the fact that you have to be invited means no trolls and idiots will come on the channel [[File:PoultrysigSSB4.png|20x50px]][[User:Poultry|<font color="red">'''Poultry'''</font>]][[File:PoultrysigSSBM.png|20x50px]]''([[User talk:Poultry#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' the God-Slayer 17:33, 6 November 2016 (EST)
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| *:@DF, The reason SK's failed attempt happened is because only the people on the IRC channel at the time would of heard about, how is it supposed to succeed if he doesn't advertise it on the rest of SmashWiki, in fact it haven't even been mentioned to me and lots of other users, if other users would have known about it, it could have actually gone somewhere [[File:PoultrysigSSB4.png|20x50px]][[User:Poultry|<font color="red">'''Poultry'''</font>]][[File:PoultrysigSSBM.png|20x50px]]''([[User talk:Poultry#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' the God-Slayer 17:39, 6 November 2016 (EST)
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| ::What I'm meaning is that we did have a few people using it, and while it was used for a while, it's ultimately died and has been dead for a couple months now. Those who used it just came right back to the current IRC. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 17:55, 6 November 2016 (EST)
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| :::The reason I didn't advertise it, by the way, is because Toomai wasn't sure about using it. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 20:13, 6 November 2016 (EST)
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| *Why do the IRC and Discord have to be mutually exclusive? We can keep both around for now, and they can serve different purposes. IRC can be a casual, general chat that's easy to log and access (and we could even link it to a general chat on Discord through an IRC bridge bot if need be), and Discord can be for more specialized discussions. Just my two cents. If at some point we decide to make a full move, I wouldn't mind that, but this whole dichotomy of "should we have one over the other '''immediately'''" just kind of irks me. <b>-- [[File:Yellow sig.png|16px]] [[User:Yellow|<span style="color:#000;text-shadow: 1px 2px 3px #CCCC00;">Yellow</span>]] [[User talk:Yellow|<span style="color:#006400;text-shadow: 1px 2px 3px #9ACD32;">of the Grove</span>]]</b> 03:43, 8 November 2016 (EST)
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| :*The IRC userbase is already small, so if we split it, discourse would be difficult to kickstart. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 15:45, 8 November 2016 (EST)
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| Ok so why don't we do this? We'll do a trial run of the discord channel (already have it set up) alongside the IRC for a month or two and see how it works. If one dies in favor of the other, we get rid of that. If they both manage to stay afloat, we keep both. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 02:36, 11 November 2016 (EST)
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| :Can you link it to mee [[File:PoultrysigSSB4.png|20x50px]][[User:Poultry|<font color="red">'''Poultry'''</font>]][[File:PoultrysigSSBM.png|20x50px]]''([[User talk:Poultry#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' the God-Slayer 07:36, 11 November 2016 (EST)
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| Should we just do one big bump on here? Someone put the merge tag on the page. [[User:MHStarCraft|'''<font color="skyblue">MH</font>''']][[User talk:MHStarCraft|'''<font color="blue">StarCraft</font>''']] [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] 01:06, 24 January 2018 (EST)
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| :I have put the merge tag on the page. See below for the discussion. [[User:Jordan2009|Jordan2009, the Sora Main]] [[User talk:Jordan2009|Talk here]] 16:35, June 6, 2023 (EDT)
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| The proposal has passed, and the comment above suggested that we merge this page with [[SW:DISCORD]]. If this is agreed upon, transfer the {{t|Obsolete} template with the rest of the article if necessary. [[User:Jordan2009|Jordan2009, the Sora Main]] [[User talk:Jordan2009|Talk here]] 16:35, June 6, 2023 (EDT)
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| :Why are you responding to finished discussions from over five years ago, and there is nothing to merge here, this page is an explicit archive for our old IRC page. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:21, June 6, 2023 (EDT)
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